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Celtibero
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Joined: 15 Oct 2005
Posts: 5
Location: London

PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the link. The train looks like a good idea if I have enough time. "Pressed for time" means that the longest I can be away from work at any given time is three weeks and, ideally, three weeks is the time I´d like to take to see Russia. However, this may not be possible and I would then have to make do with just a week....

I do not like to rush through places but walk around, discover a city away from the usual tourist areas etc.., which means that if my visit was limited to a week only then i would stick to just one city - either Moscow OR St Pters. Have you been to both?
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CHeburashka
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Joined: 23 Sep 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neither of them. Russia measures about 17 million sq. kilometres, so why should we all end up in the same 2 places?
If you want to go sightseeing, I think most people would prefer St. Petersburg. But if you prefer less obvious places, living areas etc, I would have no clue which city would be best. If you really will have only a week, you may want to consider flying directly?
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5_Zvehzda
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Joined: 30 Mar 2010
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Чебурашка wrote:

Personally i would choose 'kupe', 4 bed compartments. They're comfortable. Better than the 6-bed ones on European trains.


I agree. After recently traveled in a kupe going from Riga to Moscow on the night train - I thought it was a great trip. It was a very comfortable and safe journey. No problems at all.
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I-amp-9829-Russia
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Joined: 26 Oct 2005
Posts: 31
Location: Wishes it was Moscow, Russia

PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know that you are sort of finished talking about this, but what if a person may have darker skin, but they are of European descent? Would they be a target?
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manxi
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Joined: 22 Oct 2005
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Location: Berlin

PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's the thought of being attacked as a foreigner or as a woman that puts me off visiting Russia too. It's difficult to know what to make of all the conflicting comments. I suppose the best bet would be not to travel alone.

Maybe though it's the thought of tackling salespeople and avoiding babushkas that troubles me more...
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mediashark
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Joined: 04 Nov 2004
Posts: 1599

PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well if you're a dark-skinned european, you may be mistaken for someone from the Caucus, maybe, not exactly the favourite team in town... but hey, there're so many Caucasians in Russia anyway....

As a woman, you're more likely to get advances from cab drivers and other men loitering around at night, but you ignore them, keep walking and you'll be fine.

It is mostly at night funny people come out, so if you're just a 'normal tourist' you should be fine. If you're going to enjoy the nightlife, go with Russian friends.

Salespeople and babushkas are the most dangerous species in Russia. Beware!
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I-amp-9829-Russia
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Location: Wishes it was Moscow, Russia

PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for replying. I shall now worry about the babushkas! Smile
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Rick
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Joined: 04 May 2005
Posts: 854
Location: Касабланка

PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, you don't know what you're saying. Those grannies can be pretty tough. Better watch them carefully Wink
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I-amp-9829-Russia
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Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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Location: Wishes it was Moscow, Russia

PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am beginning to get an idea of how tough they are. Very Happy
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mister_wizzz
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Joined: 27 May 2004
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I♥Russia wrote:
I know that you are sort of finished talking about this, but what if a person may have darker skin, but they are of European descent? Would they be a target?


If you get mugged by some racists there, I don't think they will check your passport to be sure you are not from "European descent" Shocked
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I-amp-9829-Russia
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Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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Location: Wishes it was Moscow, Russia

PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mister_wizzz wrote:
I♥Russia wrote:
I know that you are sort of finished talking about this, but what if a person may have darker skin, but they are of European descent? Would they be a target?


If you get mugged by some racists there, I don't think they will check your passport to be sure you are not from "European descent" Shocked



Yeah, that's true. Embarassed
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corwin
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Joined: 16 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i am from Atlanta GA. i plan to visit Russia next year. i am also in the USAF, i have the short hair cut from the military. Will that make me a target? should i take/show my USAF id? Bush has made us military people look like war mongers, when we are really quite nice Very Happy Would it help/hurt to take/show/use my military id? if you want to email me directly with the answer my email is corwin60@yahoo.com
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MrSpice
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Joined: 14 Jul 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

corwin: You will be fine, that's for sure. There are quite a few people in Russia with the same kind of haircut. I don't think you want to go around advertising that you server in the US air force. If you do, most young people that see you on the street will probably think that you're very cool. But there may be someone (1 out of a thousand) that won't like that. Yet, I cannot imagine that you will be a target either way. No one is going to approach you and bug you about the fact that you serve in the air force. Moscow, especially, is a huge city, has many tourists and people from all over the world. If you have a passport with you with the visa and all your documents are in order, you should be fine. Large cities, especially centers of them, and especially during the day are very safe. Just don't walk around in Detroit or Houston at night - those cities are really dangerous
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snoof777
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 12:34 pm    Post subject: its better to have a short haircut Reply with quote

because then you will look more russian. when i came here, i had long hair ( to my shoulders ) and after awhile i cut it off, now i wear it short, just like 80% of the rest of the russians. specially if you are over 20 and are a business man.
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init6
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Joined: 01 Jun 2005
Posts: 363
Location: Москва, Россия

PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since Snoof dragged up a month-old thread I'll chime in a bit here, too. If you watch yourself, you should be OK. I've lived in Moscow for almost four months and I've never even come close to having a serious issue. On the other hand, a lot of people think I look Russian (it's not always Russians who say this, but I digress). As I've said before, if you don't wander around looking like a tourist (at night), you should be OK. Look like you know where you're going, even if you don't.

One negative aside here - I live in an obshchezhitye (students' dormitory) right next to Metro Shabolovskaya and one of my friends saw a Chinese student being held at knifepoint not 10 steps from our door while a second Russian dug through his bag looking for valuables. The doorway of our dorm is badly lit and there are plenty of "nooks" where youths like to congregate and drink beer. Despite sometimes being uneasy about this they've hardly ever given me a second glance (I've mastered my 'Don't F*ck With Me' scowl, as well Laughing ).

Vic has been outside this dorm with me, and on that occasion we were the shady-looking youths drinking beer outside. But it's a fact: a resident there was robbed at knifepoint. But look at NYC, Berlin, any major city. It happens.

I'm of the opinion that Western press occasionally overblows reports of anti-foreign violence but it IS a problem. Recent deaths in Petersburg and Voronezh prove this but, once again, if you watch yourself, steer clear of trouble areas and travel with friends you should be OK. After all, thousands of African students matriculate at Russian universities successfully, but we just don't hear about that on the news.
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