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nigelinleeds
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 11:16 pm    Post subject: help with Russian letter O please Reply with quote

Hi all

I am trying to learn Russian, I dumped the phrase book (the pronunciation guide was poor) I can just about read from a dictionary (after about 5 weeks) and be understood most of the time. My biggest problem is the Russian letter O which can be pronounced Oh as in sht(o )or Ah as in spasib(a) is there a simple rule that would help me to use the correct pronunciation. Even if it enables me to get it right the majority of the time it would help.

spasiba

Nigel
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Lord-Adrian
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kakie Wy imeete problemy?
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larochka
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:16 am    Post subject: Letter o Reply with quote

The letter o can be pronounced three ways:
o as in "oh my!"
uh as in "ugly"
ah as in "ah-hah!"

The rule has to do with the emphasis.
If the syllable with the o in it is emphasized, it sounds like "o"
If the syllable after the o is emphasized, it sounds like "ah"
If any other syllable is emphasized, it sounds like "uh"
The word "moloko" is helpful to remember this rule - because the last syllable is emphasized, the word is really pronounced "muh-lah-ko"
Hope that helps!
Larochka
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Rick
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a pest for all beginners in Russian, as we have no intuition yet on where the emphasis will be in the words. You will encounter some other examples of reduction of vowels..
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Heller
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can read "O" as "cht(o)" everytime - it isn't mistake.
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Mei-Nu
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heller wrote:
You can read "O" as "cht(o)" everytime - it isn't mistake.


yeah, maybe it`s not a mistake, but nobody will understand you Confused
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Evgenia
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everything is simple! Laughing If accent is on 'O' , we pronounce it as 'O' . If 'O' is not accent-letter, we pronounce it as 'A'
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atreides
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For most words you just need to learn where the accent is. If you can't hear the words spoken, try to find a learning site where the stress is marked.

This site http://www.russianlessons.net/, where I have been learning some things, marks the stress on most of the words it teaches so you should know weather to pronounce it as a 'o' or an 'a' sound.
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AntoMax
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Code:
Everything is simple! Laughing If accent is on 'O' , we pronounce it as 'O' . If 'O' is not accent-letter, we pronounce it as 'A'


Also like to mention that Southern accent doesnt pronounce the O that much and Northern does, and Moscow is in the middle so yeah ^-^
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Oleg
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are more than 3 variants of pronunciation "O". It depends on words that contain this letter. There was a post above about "moloko". The first O is read as A, the second - as vowel SCHWA, and the last O - as O. But if you pronounce all O in "moloko" as O it won't be wrong and everybody will understand you. In some rusian region (Vologda, Arkhangels, ...) people pronounce O as O in a majority cases.
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nerpa
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Confused

I would be grateful for some advice on how to pronounce Domodedovo!

The same problem applies for most place names until you hear them spoken by a native Russian speaker. Unfortunately, proper nouns are not always in dictionaries, so you can't look them up.

I had always assumed, for example, that Khabarovsk was "Khabarovsk", until I heard it pronounced on Russian TV as "Khabarsk" (o and v virtually inaudiable).

Are there any good sources on the correct pronounciation of Russian place names?
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Oleg
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I had always assumed, for example, that Khabarovsk was "Khabarovsk", until I heard it pronounced on Russian TV as "Khabarsk" (o and v virtually inaudiable).

"Khabarsk" isn't correct, you should say "Khabarovsk" ('o' should be pronounced as shwa).
Domodedovo is pronounced as "Damadedavo' (last 'o' - shwa). I think it sounds like I've just written, but it is hard to describe it. You should better listen to any russian native speaker. TV is also appropriate, but some our presenters don't have clear pronunciation.
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vitalsigns
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nerpa wrote:
Confused

I had always assumed, for example, that Khabarovsk was "Khabarovsk", until I heard it pronounced on Russian TV as "Khabarsk" (o and v virtually inaudiable).

Are there any good sources on the correct pronounciation of Russian place names?


Both ways are right. "Khabarsk" is a lazy man's way of saying it.
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nerpa
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for those replies. A couple more names that have been bothering me are: Novosibirsk and Vladivostok. English speakers usually stress the first o of Vladivostok, but I am wondering if it shouldn't really be "Vladivastok" (as in vostok).
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Oleg
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The last vowels in these words have to be stressed: Novosibirsk and Vladivostok
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