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mrbforshort
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 Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:38 am Post subject: Russian Philosophy |
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| I'm a student and I am taking a Russian History/Current Russian Events course, and I am writing a paper on Russian Philosophy. I was hoping to get some input from any Russian people to give their view on a variety of philosophical concepts...Human Nature, Political Philosophy, Morals, Metaphysics (what is real, what we come from, etc), or any topic relating to mankind's place in the world. Whether it is what you see since the CCCP, what your personal views are, or just what you see in Russia as a whole, I would be greatly appreciative in any case. Thank you! |
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MrSpice
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| Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:41 am Post subject: Re: Russian Philosophy |
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| mrbforshort wrote: | | I'm a student and I am taking a Russian History/Current Russian Events course, and I am writing a paper on Russian Philosophy. I was hoping to get some input from any Russian people to give their view on a variety of philosophical concepts...Human Nature, Political Philosophy, Morals, Metaphysics (what is real, what we come from, etc), or any topic relating to mankind's place in the world. Whether it is what you see since the CCCP, what your personal views are, or just what you see in Russia as a whole, I would be greatly appreciative in any case. Thank you! |
Do you seriously think that Russian philosophers flock to this site? |
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Fire_Goddess
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| Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:43 am Post subject: |
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 What??? MrSpice you arent a Russian Philosopher?  |
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mrbforshort
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| Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:33 am Post subject: |
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| I don't want or need russian philosophers, I'd much rather prefer genuine, down to earth people to merely state their views...everyone has them regardless of education or titles. |
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natasha1982
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| Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 5:04 am Post subject: |
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MrSpice, lol!
While I haven't been in Russia in 9 years, from what I hear from my Grandpa and my friends, it is not going very well because of rasPutin. He is trying to take away more and more freedoms from people. Also, it seems like the gap between the rich and poor gets wider and wider. |
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JamesB
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| Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 7:34 pm Post subject: RasPutin? |
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Natasha,
a couple years ago, this organisation, www.dcinternational.org, hosted a bunch of Russians to share their views. I was surprised at how anti-Putin all of them were. At the same time, isn't he doing a few things that are good for small businesses and the Russian economy? |
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natasha1982
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| Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| James, the small amounts of economical stability brought on by Eltsin and overall Western influence are now being scrapped slowly but surely by Putin. Remember, he worked for KGB, an organization that made living by snooping on people, and the leopard doesn't change his spots. Ever. |
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mediashark
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| Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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yeltsin=economic stability, western influence. bull. remember the ruble crash. remember yeltsin was very communist in his leadership and very corrupt.
i don't know what kind of sotries your grandpa tell you. |
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natasha1982
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| Actually, he didn't tell me any stories. My judgement is solely based on my personal experience. Eltsin wasn't the best at all, but when he was in power, there were no restricitions in the country like they are now with Putin, ie papers shutting down, tv channels being canceled for speaking the truth. Eltsin didn't take the country out of shit, but Putin is draggin it even further into it. Russia might have the look of the Western country, but its certainly only the look so far. The eceonomical stability is not there, and the amount of corruption is baffling. I am not saying that Eltsin was good, I am saying that Putin is bad. |
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mediashark
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| You forgot the oligarchs and how they had yeltsin wrapped around their little fingers. Television WAS controlled under Yeltsin. The anti-Putin media were controlled by the oligarch. Yeltsin did not lead a country. He just let everyone did as they wanted, and he did as he wanted. It's the worst thing for him to do it when the country just been through revolution. And you blame Putin for putting the law back into power? I think Russians deserves that kind of leadership now, if they can't discipline themselves, who would? Of course another Stalin is not the way to go, but Putin is not Stalin, or even a Khrushchev. You say Putin is bad, but all your judgement is based on western media. |
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mediashark
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| Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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damn I've become a kitchen philosopher!   |
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natasha1982
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| My judgement is not based on Western opinions but on opinions of my friends in Russia nad my relatives there. I am tired of this whole political talk. Only the time will tell whats in store for Russia. Will it become more Westernized or go down the drain? I don't know, I'm surely wishing for the best. It is a big, beautiful country and it is unfortunate that the govt. has been mistreating its citizens for ages. Like I said: only time can tell. |
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mediashark
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| Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, so not it's not your 'personal experience'.... If these your friends/relatives opinions... where are yours? What kind of 'judgement' can this be if it comes from other's opinions and not FACTS? Please, show me where you have heard your stories.
| natasha1982 wrote: | | Will it become more Westernized or go down the drain? I don't know, I'm surely wishing for the best. It is a big, beautiful country and it is unfortunate that the govt. has been mistreating its citizens for ages. Like I said: only time can tell. |
I'm sure everyone hopes for the best. I just hope they will not blindly copy any 'westernised' model for economics or the state like they tried to do in the 90s. Unfortunately, historically, you are right that the Russian government has never quite treated its citizens as citizens. They have not realised that the government is there to serve--not to rule over people.
At the same time people do need to stop keeping their voices inside kitchens. I've noticed that Russian people don't really know how to complain to their government and demand changes (without a revolution, please). Complain about, yes. But complaining to nobody but amongst themselves--nothing will ever change like that.
Yes, the government is at fault--always was, but the change needs to come from the people, and it should be gradual reforms. I think Putin is doing some reasonably good reforms, but the whole of Russia can't be saved by his changes alone. |
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MrSpice
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| Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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| mediashark wrote: |
I'm sure everyone hopes for the best. I just hope they will not blindly copy any 'westernised' model for economics or the state like they tried to do in the 90s. Unfortunately, historically, you are right that the Russian government has never quite treated its citizens as citizens. They have not realised that the government is there to serve--not to rule over people.
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I think people everywhere, and especially in Russia, overestimate problems that the Western approach to life and democracy would bring. All this talk about "special" russian culture and how Russia needs special approach is nonsense. No one was ever saying that Russia needs to be exactly like Germany or the US. But the basic western principles of democracy, freedom of speech and press, responsive and effective judicial system, protection of property and investment rights, good tax system, etc. are all great principles that work well everywhere - from Turkey and Germany to Singapore and Australia. Some things are the very basics of good living and good government and Western countries excelled in this matter. It would make make sense if Russian followed the models of countries like Canada or Austria instead of reiventing something of its own.
Regarding Putin - Putin in the last few years destroyed many of the democratic institutions in Russia. There's no more truly free press. All of the TV media is under government's control. The main oil and gas concern is in government's hands. The visa regime has not gotten any better. It's a rollback in terms of democracy that is going on right now. There's less freedom in Russia now than it was just 5-10 years ago. |
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JamesB
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| Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 7:57 pm Post subject: Putin / Oil |
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I think what has helped Putin tremendously in the past few years is all of the oil revenues Russia gets since the price of oil has been rising.
The argument has been made that the fall of the price of oil in the mid 80s together with the drain on the Soviet economy from the war in Afgahnistan is what eventually brought about the fall of the Soviet Union. Right now, Putin seems to be riding high with all this money pouring in. |
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