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markhagelin
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 Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 5:40 am Post subject: Soulmate |
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Where did the idea or concept of a "soulmate" originate?
It is not one which is commnly used in the United States.
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KiwiGuy
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the same place snow white and the seven dwarves, pinocchio, hansel and gretel, cinderella and rumpelstiltskin did....fairytales  |
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marytyrl
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 4:23 am Post subject: Soulmate |
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Dear Mr. Hagelin,
Hello. I bought a book entitled "Soul Mates" years ago, and stuck it on my bookshelf. If the concept is not "American," I would think that it is Eastern philosophy of yin and yang, male and female, that ONE person (or one person of very few) that you are truly coompatilble with and "meant" to be with. The person that you "connect" with, and understand, and feel a bond with - and they with you.
I think it tried to replace the concept of "one and only" or "Mr." or "Ms." Right, but it's more of a spiritual, religious, touchy/feely kind of thing.
Why do you ask on this web site? |
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cyndy22
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 4:36 am Post subject: Soulmate |
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| I agree that this question appears out of the blue. I also got a chuckle out of the fairy tale response. Come on now, do you really believe there is one person who is destined to be one's soul mate and life partner. I don't care what country you come from, this reminds me of spiritual propaganda. Hey I am 48 and can tell you honestly that I have probably encountyered at least 4 so called soul mates. It is not a "Russian Thing". I think it is more in the realm of chemistrty... |
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markhagelin
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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I didn't dream it up.
Somebody [she is Russian] asked to see if we were "soulmates".
I think it was Plato who said men are born as half and they spend all of their lives looking for that other half.Which, at least puts it early than fairy tales [perhaps they took the idea].
I thought there could be some religious significance, perhaps in Russian or another culture?
Where would a Russian come up with such an idea? From the book
"Soul Mates"?
It is not a term I have seen used in about 20 years, and even then it was used rarely. And to
I just thought it unusual and was curious.
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Atomcat
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 11:24 pm Post subject: Honestly |
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AliceFromMoscow
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i didn't understand what this all is about,
"my second half" is a very widespread term here, its normal to say "i'm looking for my second half". And many people do look for their second halves. And they mean what they say. Actually it was a doubtless thing for me, before i read this thred. Yes there are soulmates. People who are meant for each other. Is that questionable?  |
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bernhard_riemann
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| Why all the pessimism? Dali and Gala, my grandmother and grandfather, and many people in the past did live happily ever after. I think that the idea that people cannot be soul mates is something new. |
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marytyrl
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 4:13 am Post subject: Soulmate |
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Dear Mr. Hagelin,
Don't let them yank your chain. (The naysayers on this post.)
I'm with the talk show host from Russia, Alice. You most certainly can have a soul mate. You can also have more than one in a lifetime.
I think the concept is moreso comparable to believing in Jesus Christ than believing in Santa Clause... One is a humanitarian idea based upon legend to bring out the best in us, the other is the spiritual faith one has in the one and only Son of God. (Stop it, you atheists and agnostics, we're not debating religion here, I'm just making my point.)
You have to know yourself very well in order to "link" with someone else. Sure, there are pheremones, desire/lust/infatuation, attraction, etc. Still, there's something that transcends words (almost) that makes you aware that for more reasons than are evident to the sight, hearing, smell, or touch, THIS person is extra special. This person is extra special to YOU. This person is extra special FOR you. Try to get to know this person.
I find it odd that the young woman wants to find out if you are "soul mates." I don't know if you can link to a soul mate through letters, or phone calls. I think there's something about being in proximity with the person.
There's also that "uh oh..." feeling that leaves you a bit scared and all to cognizant of the fact that you would rather live with this person in your life than without them, and that you have the smallest (deepest) hope that they could come to feel the same way about you. ... or that they already do.
. To quote tfrom that Disney movie, "Mulan,"...
"... a girl like that doesn't come along every dynasty."
Best wishes.
By the way, Alice, have you any suggestions as to what gift to get a Russian man (mid 50s, professional) to tell him that you are interested in getting to know him better? Or is it best to just be a lady, smile at his jokes, smile at him, and make pleasant "I'm interested in you as a person" type conversation? If a Russian man is fond of you, will he usually tell you? He is the most personable, charming, wonderful man. I enjoy talking with him, and being around him is just the best thing in my life. I'm in the U.S.
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AliceFromMoscow
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i've sent you a private message  |
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markhagelin
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While I realize calling me Mr is being polite, you have my permission to address me less formally [thanks for being polite].
Please call me Mark [and please don't make me ask 2 or 3 times before you do].
From what I have begun to read about soulmates people can somehow sense one when they see them or see something which connects to that person. I don't know.
If there is such a thing as re-incarnation present/past mates could be soulmates at any given point or place in time.
Some religions beleive the soul can leave the body during sleep. This would imply that a person who has a generalized location for one of their soulmates might be able to leave the body to go to them. Or perhaps to even link with them somehow mentally.
Alot of the metaphysical is subject to belief/interpretion. Some say when Christ said "Unless you be born again..." he was implying re-incarnation exists. Some religions believe the soul is immortal and has been down to earth many times.
I have even read where some people are saying that the return of the souls from WW II is the source of contention in today's world.
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Atomcat
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markhagelin
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Atomcat
I had looked at different religions growing up. An old friend of mine once said that "Each religion has a certain amount of truth and a certain amount of falsehood". They each should be treated equallly.
He said the soul has the ability to distinguish between the truth and falsehood.
Perhaps the modern concept of "soulmate" is based on Plato. I have no idea how religious the people in Russia are, or if they are religous, what denomination.
Perhaps Greek Orthodox? If so, could that be where Plato's influence comes in? Some sects of Catholic believe in re-incarnation. I would have to research it again since I don't have the collection of religious books I once had.
I did find a copy of the "Soul Mates" book which I am reading.
If the soul does re-incarnate, there is nothing to prevent a soul which had been previously born in a male body from being born in a female body and vice-versa. This could explain why there are more gays then in the past. I don't know. Just looking hypothecially.
And to quote from Star Trek:Voyager: "Hythothecially speaking, but I don't speak hypothetical" [an attempt at a bad joke]
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marytyrl
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 8:50 pm Post subject: Re: I think |
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| Atomcat wrote: | Mark Whoa, you are 60's child!!
You got this all this metaphysical connection from an Russian lady's email. I really suggest that you read Jean Paul Sartre's book "Nausea". You know what the meaning of life is "People need to wear more hats". I am not sure if you remember that one.
To the reporter, It always show professionalism and integrity when you quote from Disney. That man you like, find his interests and see if you can small gift that can be an ice breaker as friends or something that can get converstaion going. Soul mate thing, come on. Love is a little magic and lots of hard work, patience, communication, sacrifice and understanding. Too many people think this magic will take them through for life. The concept of soul mate did not exist during my father's time and his marriage is going on 44 years. Good luck on your pursuit. |
Atomcat! For shame. The kind Russian Talk Show Host Alice did not "quote" from Disney, I did. Do not malign her. Please believe me, I don't make a habit of quoting from the Mickey Mouse House in Burbank (or Anaheim), California, USA. It just seemed appropriate to get my meaning across in the most expeditious manner.
I beg to differ on the concept of a soul mate not existing in your father's lifetime. Eve was tailor made for Adam, and I really think that's what Shakespeare was getting at with Romeo and Juliet... |
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