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surfguy Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979	Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 12:21 am    Post subject: MrSpice wrote: "Too fresh" is what an average Kentucky resident would say if the chicken at KFC was undercooked... I have lived for over 10 years in New York City and have never heard that term. Anyway, what is the point of saying "be good" all the time? I think we are good - very good. Well being "fresh" is a very common expression. "don't you get fresh with me" actually it was used more so in earlier years but most Americans will no this. I am often good...but in the naughty sense
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krasatulya VIP Joined: 29 May 2005 Posts: 590	Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 2:09 am    Post subject: Haha, I think this is something commonly said by parents to their younger children when they're acting up.
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darthvader WayToRussified Joined: 09 Dec 2005 Posts: 427	Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:19 am    Post subject: Generation P wrote: ......But, would you mind telling how you would solve the demographic crisis in Russia? I, to be honest, don't have any idea what so ever. To be brutally honest there is little hope. You can't just ban immigration, as migrants are increasingly vital for keeping the economy going. But, countries can also suffer the societal problems which have already been spoken about …...Violent civil strife and Balkanisation are real end-scenario possibilities. "Especially" if an immigration program effectively creates "bicultural" societies (as in parts of Europe), which are inherently much more dangerous/unstable than multicultural ones. The only solution is: SEX and lots of it! (That's the best bit!) And, as crazy as this seems, at "least" half a dozen kids per woman for the next 30 years! Yes, its very 19th century sounding! Not many women will want to endure that! Yes, and men need to be socially ostracised, jailed, or worse, if they abandon their wives and children (yes, marriage is preferable). Perhaps Putin should start ramping up a new propaganda campaign! He basically has no real opposition. He thus needs to make the most of his power. Media, education, all has to prioritise the "demographic crisis" for many, many years. Big families need to seen as a positive. People should be publicly congratulated for their large family exploits. This needs to be drummed into the Russian minds over and over again for years. Ivan, Svetlana with their huge tribe – the heroes of Russia. TV show? Sure, economic times aren’t so great. But, honestly, economic times weren’t great for most of history and this didn’t stop families breeding. Why? Because there was a realization that the best support that a family can have is in lots of family members! There needs to be a shift in perception that the family unit (worldwide) is the best support structure to guarantee our futures. Not the government. Media and education can help help to encourage this. Secular Socialism has demographically failed Westerners and Russians, who once believed in the global overpopulation mantra, that also children were basically a liability to our successful lifestyles (Ok, slight exaggeration). [Did you know the Western world’s population fraction had reduced from about 30% to 20% over the last 30 years? Steyn (2006). I wonder what the next 30 years will bring for the West? ]
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surfguy Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979	Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:17 am    Post subject: Absolutey true...the only way to end the population decrease of any demographic is to increase the population of that demographic...which is why Putin is giving incentive to russian women to have more children.
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PapaG Frequent Guest Joined: 15 Jul 2006 Posts: 36 Location: под Пэачтрээ, Гэоргиа, США	Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 6:43 am    Post subject: nikir wrote: jojo a pregnancy terminated in the first trimesta is a puddle of mucus and blood in the bottom of a bucket. It will not suddenly attack you and say "mamma what have you done"? as you would like us all to believe. A discharge, nothing more. A mistake gone down the drain. I saw our triplets the first time through a sonogram at 10 weeks. "C" had a cute, almost sin wave heartbeat. "B" put out only one feable pulse somewhat like the ping of a sonar, that defiantly screamed, "I'm alive!" "A" was deathly quiet. The quote is inaccurate. Please reconsider based on new data. (Advanced technology allowed us to view all three embryos, but only allowed "C" to survive to full term.) Now, back to the topic. What can solve the demographic crisis in Russia? 1. The solution requires change. The kind of thinking that caused the crisis is unlikely to solve the root problem. 2. Historically proven solutions are more likely to succeed than untested theories. 3. The key to change is motivation. (How many psychologists does it take to change a lightbulb? Only one, but the lightbulb has to want to change!) What people believe, they can achieve. 4. The Russian people demonstrated their capability after the end of the "Great Patriotic War". In a period of two decades, Russia advanced the equivalent of two centuries of progress when compared to other European countries. 5. What historically proven stimulus motivated the Russian populace to advance their society? 6. The motivator after the end of the "Great Patriotic War" was leadership. Где тот руководитель? 7. As leadership affirms their true value and generates hope, the Russian people will be motivated, and they will succeed. 8. Believing in the value of human life is essential to hope, which generates the ability of a society to dream big dreams, and work to achieve those dreams.
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jo-jo-7 Just Starting Joined: 16 Mar 2010 Posts: 6	Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 5:07 pm    Post subject: PapaG wrote: nikir wrote: jojo a pregnancy terminated in the first trimesta is a puddle of mucus and blood in the bottom of a bucket. It will not suddenly attack you and say "mamma what have you done"? as you would like us all to believe. A discharge, nothing more. A mistake gone down the drain. I saw our triplets the first time through a sonogram at 10 weeks. "C" had a cute, almost sin wave heartbeat. "B" put out only one feable pulse somewhat like the ping of a sonar, that defiantly screamed, "I'm alive!" "A" was deathly quiet. The quote is inaccurate. Please reconsider based on new data. (Advanced technology allowed us to view all three embryos, but only allowed "C" to survive to full term.) Now, back to the topic. What can solve the demographic crisis in Russia? 1. The solution requires change. The kind of thinking that caused the crisis is unlikely to solve the root problem. 2. Historically proven solutions are more likely to succeed than untested theories. 3. The key to change is motivation. (How many psychologists does it take to change a lightbulb? Only one, but the lightbulb has to want to change!) What people believe, they can achieve. 4. The Russian people demonstrated their capability after the end of the "Great Patriotic War". In a period of two decades, Russia advanced the equivalent of two centuries of progress when compared to other European countries. 5. What historically proven stimulus motivated the Russian populace to advance their society? 6. The motivator after the end of the "Great Patriotic War" was leadership. Где тот руководитель? 7. As leadership affirms their true value and generates hope, the Russian people will be motivated, and they will succeed. 8. Believing in the value of human life is essential to hope, which generates the ability of a society to dream big dreams, and work to achieve those dreams. Once more life has been valued by experience and respect....great post PapaG...... You must have had some great achievements in life.....
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MrSpice Lounge Wizard Joined: 14 Jul 2003 Posts: 3431	Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 7:39 pm    Post subject: jo jo 7 wrote: Once more life has been valued by experience and respect....great post PapaG...... You must have had some great achievements in life..... I think it's a post that sounds great but is unlikely to provide a real solution for that problem in Russia. The best solution of any country is economic development, education, advances of medical science and technology. Poverty and lack of good living conditions are probably the main reasons for the large number of abortions in Russia (not all, but most). Certainly, all societies can do more in promoting the respect for life and well-being. Leaders in most countries (Russia and USA are the prime examples) don't think twice before sending their soldiers to die in wars accompanying all this with patriotic talk... On the other hand, you don't want the "culture of life" to push women that don't want children to have them in spite of their natural will.
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surfguy Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979	Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:56 pm    Post subject: Also to I think for any society...we need to take into account that families whos incomes are based on agriculture incomes tend to be larger then say city dwellers. So as a society's economy furthers from agriculture then birth rates tend to decrease. This may not be the sole reason of the decrease but it definitely is contributing. Next is also baby booms almost always happen after great wars...especially when applied to Europe. Perhaps this is a natural phenomenon.
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PapaG Frequent Guest Joined: 15 Jul 2006 Posts: 36 Location: под Пэачтрээ, Гэоргиа, США	Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:43 am    Post subject: MrSpice wrote: The best solution of any country is economic development, education, advances of medical science and technology. You made an excellent statement. How can Russia achieve that? Which comes first, economic development or education? Peter the great built a major portion of the infrastructure of St. Petersburg before he was able to implement his westernization of education. Which comes first, education or advances of medical science and technology? Peter the great brought in outside technology and technologists before the home grown education system was fully functioning. Peter demonstrated incredible leadership. He achieved incredible results. He did hold the responsibility for a lot of lost lives but he spent those live for high value objectives. How does this relate to the demographic crisis in Russia? darthvader wrote: Because there was a realization that the best support that a family can have is in lots of family members! The future of a culture or country is dependent on population. For lack of human resources, economic development, education, and advances of medical science and technology will not happen. A declining population becomes a limit. Needless loss of human life and undervaluing human life should be avoided. The future of a culture or country is very dependent on leadership. (The USA is no longer the same bickering group of competing interests that devised the US constitution but had to fight for a Bill of Rights to make it work. George Washington chose not to become King George because he had a vision of something better. The rush of immigrants continues to redefine the "American Dream".) I think the largest country on the planet has a lot of potential. Где тот руководитель?
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surfguy Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979	Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:46 am    Post subject: Private ownership will be the key to Russia's future. Also getting rid of the corruption and being transparent will allow for the west to come in and build Russia just like in Peter the Greats time. In fact just about all sectors of Russia's economy and industry is getting help from foriegners. Russia's oil industry had to be revamped by western no how...so much waste was happening. Property management is a new thing in Russia and outside assitance is taking place. So this will all take time...but it will take even longer as long as the corruption there continues.
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PapaG Frequent Guest Joined: 15 Jul 2006 Posts: 36 Location: под Пэачтрээ, Гэоргиа, США	Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:13 am    Post subject: surfguy wrote: Also getting rid of the corruption and being transparent will allow for the west to come in and build Russia just like in Peter the Greats time. Excellent points. Where is the example of the leader of a nation comparable to Russia who had the where-with-all to clean up national corruption? Please consider the action of this man between May 6, 1895 and April 19, 1897. (http://www.theodoreroosevelt.org/life/timeline.htm) His enemies tried to turn his "transparency" to "porosity" on October 14, 1912. The most significant historical evidence is his own words. T. Roosevelt wrote: Peace is not the end. Righteousness is the end."..."If I must choose between righteousness and peace I choose righteousness. Somewhere a future leader is doing the right thing because it is the right thing and setting the course for the destiny of the world. I did not hear this speech in person but I am impressed by the following quote. M. Gorbachev wrote: I concluded that our old model of society should be rejected because it supressed the human being... As the leader of the Soviet Union, I had a lot of power, but I started to democratize and decentralize that power. I started to empower society. It only took from September 14, 1901 to February 19, 1903 to clean up the glaring corruption and reset the course of the USA. Following the right leader, it will not take that long for Russia.
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yorbcbud Lounge Wizard Joined: 17 Feb 2006 Posts: 4903 Location: Сорренто, Британская Колумбия, Канада	Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:48 am    Post subject: PapaG wrote: The future of a culture or country is very dependent on leadership. (The USA is no longer the same bickering group of competing interests that devised the US constitution but had to fight for a Bill of Rights to make it work. That's not entirely true. The lobbyists in Washington have just become more secretive in their bickering, so now they simply bribe to get their special interest bills piggy backed on top of legitimate ones. Special interest groups control nearly every part of American politics, and the average American can't do a thing about it. If they could, there would be no tobacco companies in America, and the average Joe could actually afford to put gas in their cars, or get affordable medical attention, or send their kids to good schools.
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nikir Frequent Guest Joined: 17 Mar 2010 Posts: 54	Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 1:40 pm    Post subject: PapaG you have some quite outdated solutions for something that is very much a contemporary problem. Roosevelt, Gorbachev and Stalin won't help today. Russia will survive and grow in their own way and without too much assistance if any from the west. You know nothing about the pride and determination of the Russian people. The one thing that they don't want is to resemble Americans.
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jo-jo-7 Just Starting Joined: 16 Mar 2010 Posts: 6	Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:55 pm    Post subject: "Russia will survive in their own way"? Yeah! Prostitution, Bad Politics, Mafia and Corruption. That's the way to go.
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Firstmate Frequent Guest Joined: 29 Oct 2004 Posts: 27	Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:39 pm    Post subject: I would agree with nikir wherein he refers to the pride and determination of the Russian people. Those of us who have spent time in Russia, and have many close friends in Russia, have seen the indomitable, and indefatigable spirt of the Russia people. They certainly have a pride in country and culture and history that other countries including my own, could certainly take a page from.
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