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Heretical-Angel Frequent Guest Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 20	Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 1:05 am    Post subject: Re: Russian Philosophy surfguy wrote: Heretical Angel wrote: The West has been the leader for medical advancements for a long time now, indeed. The Soviets were also very famous for their rockets. Remember that it was them that were even able to get to the surface of Venus, unlike the States who tried but couldn't. This was only due to the advanced rocketry the Soviets had. It's irrelevant but kinda interesting. Also they were indeed ahead of military advancements during the USSR days. They graduated so many physicists for the purpose of weaponry design. Today however Russia is suffering a massive drain of scientists. Anyways, yorbcbud wrote: I'll also say this. Canada is one of the very few, if not the only nation in the world that was formed without violence. We will be here for as long as the world exists. Yorbcbud - I was totally with ya up until this point. This nation was indeed formed with violence. The massive killing of aboriginals constitutes as violence. The giving of small-pox infected blankets and throwing children into abuse-ridden residential schools where they were forcefully assimilated are all pieces of Canada's history. I love my country very much, but it's history is far from non-violent. Yes the Soviet Space program is truly interesting and was at the forefront. And the soviet fighters are awesome too-they carried a lot of ordinance. I will be exciting to see what comes of the new military budget. Also Canada did have a violent beginning...but which country hasn't had one? The Soviet Union...killed 10s of millions of it's own people...and this far surpasses anything that Canada or the US has ever done. Then let's look at histry prior to Soviet times...certainly brutal for sure. The US and Canada have never seen the likes of leaders such as Stalin, Lenin, Ivan the Terrible...etc. Oh I completely agree. That was my point. I mean for sure Canada isn't as bad as many other countries' past, however, Canada is a much, much younger country, and it to has had a very violent beginning - like most if not every country.
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surfguy Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979	Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 1:13 am    Post subject: Yes Canada is a very young nation...as is the USA, I've pointed out so many times though that we are "you"...the rest of the world created and shaped us. So what ever faults, history, accomplishments, etc are all a product of how the world has shaped us...but then again isn't this true for every country...I mean we all certainly react to each other.
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Heretical-Angel Frequent Guest Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 20	Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 1:20 am    Post subject: surfguy wrote: Yes Canada is a very young nation...as is the USA, I've pointed out so many times though that we are "you"...the rest of the world created and shaped us. So what ever faults, history, accomplishments, etc are all a product of how the world has shaped us...but then again isn't this true for every country...I mean we all certainly react to each other. .... I swear, I was only commenting on yorbcbud's comment on Canada having non-violent beginnings. It wasn't an indepth analysis nor was I comparing it to any other nation.
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yorbcbud Lounge Wizard Joined: 17 Feb 2006 Posts: 4903 Location: Сорренто, Британская Колумбия, Канада	Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:36 am    Post subject: Heretical Angel wrote: surfguy wrote: Yes Canada is a very young nation...as is the USA, I've pointed out so many times though that we are "you"...the rest of the world created and shaped us. So what ever faults, history, accomplishments, etc are all a product of how the world has shaped us...but then again isn't this true for every country...I mean we all certainly react to each other. .... I swear, I was only commenting on yorbcbud's comment on Canada having non-violent beginnings. It wasn't an indepth analysis nor was I comparing it to any other nation. You misread what I wrote. Canada was born on 1 July 1867 by an act of the British Parliament. It was to be self-governing British dependency, a Dominion. There was no war to secure independence. Certainly there have been wars in Canada. Metis rebellions, we even spanked the Americans and took Boston from them in 1812, and the reference to abuse of natives is true, but came later. The country was not created with violence, like so many others. Thats what I was saying. Speaking to the original topic of Russian philosophy, I'm sure it is the same as anyone elses in the world, treat each other with respect, raise a family, instill admirable morals, and live a good, and productive life. Russia isn't some archaic, backwoods country. The people are intelligent, honest, and caring individuals. I'm sure they want the same things that we all want. No more, no less. Last edited by yorbcbud on Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:56 am; edited 1 time in total
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surfguy Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979	Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:47 am    Post subject: Quote: Russia isn't some archaic, backwoods country. The people are intelligent, honest, and caring individuals. I'm sure they want the same things that we all want. No more, no less. Some people seem to think so...in fact hasn't Russia always been labled as being backwards and barbaric? And certainly it is very corrupt and brutal
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yorbcbud Lounge Wizard Joined: 17 Feb 2006 Posts: 4903 Location: Сорренто, Британская Колумбия, Канада	Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:53 am    Post subject: surfguy wrote: Quote: Russia isn't some archaic, backwoods country. The people are intelligent, honest, and caring individuals. I'm sure they want the same things that we all want. No more, no less. Some people seem to think so...in fact hasn't Russia always been labled as being backwards and barbaric? And certainly it is very corrupt and brutal Not in Canada it hasn't. USSR was always portrayed as a devious nation, bent on world domination. The great red war machine. They were never considered backwards. At least not here in Canada. They were always considered a real threat to democracy, and our freedom. The propaganda was rampant here too.
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Heretical-Angel Frequent Guest Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 20	Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 3:07 am    Post subject: yorbcbud wrote: You misread what I wrote. Canada was born on 1 July 1867 by an act of the British Parliament. It was to be self-governing British dependency, a Dominion. There was no war to secure independence. Certainly there have been wars in Canada. Metis rebellions, we even spanked the Americans and took Boston from them in 1812, and the reference to abuse of natives is true, but came later. The country was not created with violence, like so many others. Thats what I was saying. Speaking to the original topic of Russian philosophy, I'm sure it is the same as anyone elses in the world, treat each other with respect, raise a family, instill admirable morals, and life a good, and productive life. Russia isn't some archaic, backwoods country. The people are intelligent, honest, and caring individuals. I'm sure they want the same things that we all want. No more, no less. Nope. I read correctly what you wrote. Yes, Canada formally became a dominion without war (there is still controversy, however as to when Canada actually became an independant nation). It is a common misconception amongst Canadians that this country was formed without violence, but it isn't true. How do you think cities were formed here in the first place? I am not necessarily referring to wars, I'm referring to the fact that the English and French came here and forcefully removed Natives from their land. It did not come later. Residential schools were introduced before the July 1st 1867 in Canada (around the 1600's actually) to literally beat the culture out of them. In contrary to popular belief, Canada actually has a pretty sad past - it's just not advertised.
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surfguy Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979	Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 3:07 am    Post subject: I meant prior to the USSR that many European Nations considered it backwards
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yorbcbud Lounge Wizard Joined: 17 Feb 2006 Posts: 4903 Location: Сорренто, Британская Колумбия, Канада	Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 5:37 am    Post subject: Heretical Angel wrote: yorbcbud wrote: You misread what I wrote. Canada was born on 1 July 1867 by an act of the British Parliament. It was to be self-governing British dependency, a Dominion. There was no war to secure independence. Certainly there have been wars in Canada. Metis rebellions, we even spanked the Americans and took Boston from them in 1812, and the reference to abuse of natives is true, but came later. The country was not created with violence, like so many others. Thats what I was saying. Speaking to the original topic of Russian philosophy, I'm sure it is the same as anyone elses in the world, treat each other with respect, raise a family, instill admirable morals, and life a good, and productive life. Russia isn't some archaic, backwoods country. The people are intelligent, honest, and caring individuals. I'm sure they want the same things that we all want. No more, no less. Nope. I read correctly what you wrote. Yes, Canada formally became a dominion without war (there is still controversy, however as to when Canada actually became an independant nation). It is a common misconception amongst Canadians that this country was formed without violence, but it isn't true. How do you think cities were formed here in the first place? I am not necessarily referring to wars, I'm referring to the fact that the English and French came here and forcefully removed Natives from their land. It did not come later. Residential schools were introduced before the July 1st 1867 in Canada (around the 1600's actually) to literally beat the culture out of them. In contrary to popular belief, Canada actually has a pretty sad past - it's just not advertised. Well we wrote a formal Constitution in, I believe 47, but the truth of the matter is, that never have all the provinces ever accepted the constitution. I believe the closest we came was the Meech lake accord. If you do some research, you will find that the natives fought along side us in more than one war, so lets not make it sound as bad as all that. Sometimes they didn't care to fight , and just ignored both sides. It wasn't a genocide, as you are making it appear in your post. I'm not saying we are perfect, I was merely stating how Canada came to be a country. But we are supposed to be talking about Russia aren't we?
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yorbcbud Lounge Wizard Joined: 17 Feb 2006 Posts: 4903 Location: Сорренто, Британская Колумбия, Канада	Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 5:38 am    Post subject: surfguy wrote: I meant prior to the USSR that many European Nations considered it backwards I think many still do, but you said that, didn't you?
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Heretical-Angel Frequent Guest Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 20	Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 5:47 am    Post subject: yorbcbud wrote: But we are supposed to be talking about Russia aren't we? Well, that is what I've originally come for, however I've noticed that many topics have explored more than Russia. In any case, I have done much research on that particular topic, and it's difficult sometimes to read someone say things that are simply (excuse the lack of better words), ignorant.
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surfguy Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979	Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 6:09 am    Post subject: Moscow certainly is modern
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Rust Frequent Guest Joined: 11 Mar 2007 Posts: 46 Location: Mostly in Moscow	Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 6:16 am    Post subject: Ok. It is me again. Lets start. About "you launch into a speech about military advancements." But the military science is on the front of science and we are saying about advertisements. You try to say that we are not the best in space industry. But what American doing in our Mission Control Centre do you know? Of course they know all about pilot cosmonautics and very try to help us(only one reason - in bed time we had no enough money for it and USA knows about safety!!! pilot cosmonautics almost nothing - first Moon expeditions was very very dangerous if you read about it and later I think as well)! About fighters. I think if you never worked with the project 5-generation fighters you know a little bit less than I. And I say again USA made the most expensive and meaningless projects. Sometimes we made bed projects too, but it was more seldom. Like SU-34 Berkut (it is victory of USA counterespionage - they made very nice hearing for our and we was wrong). About Mig-25(not Su-25 that proved there I think best of the best safety, reliability, maintainability, effectiveness in real war in Afghanistan when sometimes they returned home with a half of wind and with many many holes and it is more important than meaningless expensive "high technology "USA guns - you can ask USA soldiers who took part in wars what the gun they prefer as the best (I could remind you - AK-74 and why do you know? It so strange m16 best of the best like other USA military achievements?)) Do you know who piloted that plans (it is only machine and it's necessary to be a pilot for use this car)? Recently USA pilot saw what can make very old SU-29 with modern equipment more than more modern American fighter. I mean how much meaningless this and many other military USA achievements, but the best flourish of trumpets for taxpayers (I see so important to justify so expensive and so fantastic profitable projects in USA as really necessarily for taxpayers). Do you remember where from fon Braun and Korolev. Where from most of other scientists in USA. About Chechnya. Sometimes any strong old country with a rich history could be in problems - for it you have to have rich various histories. And some countries (I don't show who is it) want something from that countries when they are weakness.(resources/divide and rule - you know it and could you explain for me what f.....k NATO are doing around my country - grow flowers please don't speak about peace). Who supplied terrorists - please don't lie yourself - its very complex way, but were from it leaded..... Whom it is more profitable. I very regret that our modern government lost base in Cuba. Many many times during our history many strongest country (as they thought but every time they was wrong and we wined every time)used many ways to destroy us as united nation(if you know history of course)and it give us so bloody philosophy you described as our defect, but if you would a little bit try to learn our history - you could understand why this way so gloomy - but we have survived many times and every time it helped us united (I don't find guilty USA that making so many problem for our world - Chechnya, Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia...... it is a low of nature - the strongest will survive - it could be another strong country like China and the conflicts will grow up, because we all need in resources) - if I don't agree with majority it can be very bad for me. All great cultures that exist as culture have the same severe moral because they have took difficult experience. As you said (and as we all know too) you have no it. It means we can judge about you/ but you can't - you have not so difficult experience. I hope your very young culture will never know what is it war, civil war, moral collapse......but every culture grow and fall with fixed rules. The basic advantage you have all over the world - "new young hot blood» culture that force us and whole world moving faster and more efficiently.
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Heretical-Angel Frequent Guest Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 20	Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 6:30 am    Post subject: It's so difficult to compare scientific and technological advances made today since so many of the great Russian scientists from the Soviet years have left Russia.
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yorbcbud Lounge Wizard Joined: 17 Feb 2006 Posts: 4903 Location: Сорренто, Британская Колумбия, Канада	Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 6:59 am    Post subject: It's difficult to know where to start with Rust's post. Werhner Von Braun was German, not Russian. The mars landers were American the recent jupiter photos were shot with American ( I think) cameras. I still don't care about fighters and wars. Russian spent a fair bit of time in Afghanistan. When I talk about scientifitic advancements, I mean medical, and most of those are coming from Canadian and American scientists, not Russian. American weapons were supplied to some terrorists, and so are Russian weapons. As we speak they are being supplied to known sponsors of terrorism. My country hasn't supplied any terrorists. Canada refused to go to Iraq, but our help was asked for in Afghanistan. There is no " Moral collapse" in Canada. Russia's social issues are far far worse than Canada's.
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