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Rust
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I mean fon Brawn from Germany and he is not American scientist. Do you know what happens now in Afghanistan (ask them who live there - all who live there don't like so fantastic cruel American soldiers. Its about peaceful American democracy (God forbid!!!!!). I speak to them many time many times, many hours. They described me what American are doing now in Afghanistan - they killed so many people for no particular reason! Before American aggressive cruel attack men fought against Russia, but when 2 year ago I met them they was so glad to see me. They much more prefer contact with us, and hated American very much. Why? Could you explain me, which of American democratic Principe give them so mad cruel and intolerance for foreigners, their cultures. In this case you say me about peacefull medicine science! Look at the map and you will see USA trying expend over the world their primitive "democratic" by guns - in this case you trying to say us we are aggressive nation?! Funny. Very funny. ) It was many years ago in China, when aggressive primitive Tatars culture attacks them and thought that they wined. Do you remember what happened later? Yes.
-"My country hasn't supplied any terrorists. Canada refused to go to Iraq, but our help was asked for in Afghanistan. " - I know that Canada more peaceful than mad aggressive USA. And I like Canada much more then USA. But do you really believe that USA didn’t help terrorists in Chechnya -it is one of the basically principals of politic in our cruel word.
About Russia was beat in Afghanistan - ask American soldiers what they think about theirs "democratic victory" in Iraq, Afghanistan. It is possible never - sorry! different level and ages of cultures/ let better talk about "democracy" - how it is false, double standards and so on.
And please dont tell us we are so many time thinking about War. I remember my grandfathers who took part in a Great Patriotic War when was killed more than 40 millions!!!!We always remember it. What did you do that time. What USA did that time - at first earned money then saw who could win and only then sent some soldiers/ But then they said that they wined!!!!Fantastic!!! |
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MrYaag
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I am not american or candian!!! but i think its wrong to take bush decision's and blame it on all americans. The only mistake that the american public did was to vote for him..
And yorbcbud i think europe has got more of an edge in the scientific field. |
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jo-jo-7
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 4:51 pm Post subject: war |
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| Rust wrote: | I mean fon Brawn from Germany and he is not American scientist. Do you know what happens now in Afghanistan (ask them who live there - all who live there don't like so fantastic cruel American soldiers. Its about peaceful American democracy (God forbid!!!!!). I speak to them many time many times, many hours. They described me what American are doing now in Afghanistan - they killed so many people for no particular reason! Before American aggressive cruel attack men fought against Russia, but when 2 year ago I met them they was so glad to see me. They much more prefer contact with us, and hated American very much. Why? Could you explain me, which of American democratic Principe give them so mad cruel and intolerance for foreigners, their cultures. In this case you say me about peacefull medicine science! Look at the map and you will see USA trying expend over the world their primitive "democratic" by guns - in this case you trying to say us we are aggressive nation?! Funny. Very funny. ) It was many years ago in China, when aggressive primitive Tatars culture attacks them and thought that they wined. Do you remember what happened later? Yes.
-"My country hasn't supplied any terrorists. Canada refused to go to Iraq, but our help was asked for in Afghanistan. " - I know that Canada more peaceful than mad aggressive USA. And I like Canada much more then USA. But do you really believe that USA didn’t help terrorists in Chechnya -it is one of the basically principals of politic in our cruel word.
About Russia was beat in Afghanistan - ask American soldiers what they think about theirs "democratic victory" in Iraq, Afghanistan. It is possible never - sorry! different level and ages of cultures/ let better talk about "democracy" - how it is false, double standards and so on.
And please dont tell us we are so many time thinking about War. I remember my grandfathers who took part in a Great Patriotic War when was killed more than 40 millions!!!!We always remember it. What did you do that time. What USA did that time - at first earned money then saw who could win and only then sent some soldiers/ But then they said that they wined!!!!Fantastic!!! |
I do not see us Americans "mad and intolerance of foreigners". I think your statement is crazy and you don't know what your saying. You should stop blaming us Americans for everything. There is nothing great about war and who is the best.
So, was it okay for Suddam Hussein to keep his reign and continue to carve up his own people. It was a matter of time before Hussein destroyed his country. He didn't love his people. He was a evil monster who made his own people suffer. You know Iraqi's are working along the side of our American soldiers and that is a large portions of people who don't want our American soldiers to leave. You are only speaking of a small majority of people who want us out. I would like to see the American soldiers leave. I guess when our President calls on our soldiers to go to war there really is no choice, even if you didn't vote for Bush. When you are told to go you go.
It is strange how know one talks about Hitler and all the people he torchered and threw away like they were yesterdays' garbage.
This is just my opinion. |
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jo-jo-7
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| MrYaag wrote: | I am not american or candian!!! but i think its wrong to take bush decision's and blame it on all americans. The only mistake that the american public did was to vote for him..
And yorbcbud i think europe has got more of an edge in the scientific field. |
Thank you....and yes Europe has got the edge on the scientific field. |
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MrSpice
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Thank you....and yes Europe has got the edge on the scientific field. |
This is actually total nonsense. I cannot say I like everything I see in the United States. There's a long list of things I would like to be different here - from shopping mall car culture to lack of healthcare coverage for 46 million people... But when it comes to science and technology, the US is way ahead of Europe. Even in relative terms, the US spends much more money on research and development on both federal level, and in the private sector. Most of the Nobel Prize awards were given to the Americans. Medical and bio research here is way above the level you would fine in Europe. In fact,major European biotechnology firms like Sanofi-Aventis have most of the research and development in the US... And the major comuter firms like Microfoft, IBM, Oracle, etc. are here. They do expand rapidly outside of the US, but mostly in India, China and other developing countries - not in Europe. |
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jo-jo-7
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| MrSpice wrote: | | jo jo 7 wrote: |
Thank you....and yes Europe has got the edge on the scientific field. |
This is actually total nonsense. I cannot say I like everything I see in the United States. There's a long list of things I would like to be different here - from shopping mall car culture to lack of healthcare coverage for 46 million people... But when it comes to science and technology, the US is way ahead of Europe. Even in relative terms, the US spends much more money on research and development on both federal level, and in the private sector. Most of the Nobel Prize awards were given to the Americans. Medical and bio research here is way above the level you would fine in Europe. In fact,major European biotechnology firms like Sanofi-Aventis have most of the research and development in the US... And the major comuter firms like Microfoft, IBM, Oracle, etc. are here. They do expand rapidly outside of the US, but mostly in India, China and other developing countries - not in Europe. |
You are right. What I should have said was Europe has an "edge" of technology, but Amercans are far more development in the scientific field. Years of study and research. |
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MrSpice
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| jo jo 7 wrote: |
You are right. What I should have said was Europe has an "edge" of technology, but Amercans are far more development in the scientific field. Years of study and research. |
Of course I am right - I am always right... |
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jo-jo-7
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| MrSpice wrote: | | jo jo 7 wrote: |
You are right. What I should have said was Europe has an "edge" of technology, but Amercans are far more development in the scientific field. Years of study and research. |
Of course I am right - I am always right... |
Whatever you say....You are not always right...I can admit that I am not right all the time.  |
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Heretical-Angel
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| yorbcbud wrote: | | It's difficult to know where to start with Rust's post. Werhner Von Braun was German, not Russian. The mars landers were American the recent jupiter photos were shot with American ( I think) cameras. |
Recently most space advancements are certainly credited to the American Space program. The mars landers were indeed American, however, it is interesting to note that the first probe lanuched to Mars and the first probe that orbitted Mars (some years later), the very first space rover, and the first probe to reach the surface of Mars are all Soviet achievements. Obviously there is much, much more but it's interesting since Mars exploration is generlaly associated with the American program. Also today there are many pictures taken of Jupiter in which Soviet cameras and lenses are still used. Pretty awesome.
| Mr Yaag wrote: | | And yorbcbud i think europe has got more of an edge in the scientific field. |
Hmmm.... Which science? Currently, the United States has the most money to spend on scientific advancements.
It can get diffcult sometimes because although many discoveries are made on United States soil, the founders are often foreign scientists. This especially gets misleading when we start discussing the Nobel. It's true that the United States gets the most but many, many of those scientists were not American citizens until much later into their adult lives. And example of this is Wigner who was a Hungarian physicist but got his American citizenship in 1937 (I think he was born in 1902). He won the Nobel prize which is one of the many tallied in the States' overall count. In any case, the United States I think has a Nobel count of around 160, while the UK is a second with around 110 (I'm not 100% sure though...)
In terms of technology, I believe according to literature Japan (right now) has the edge. |
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Rust
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"Currently, the United States has the most money to spend on scientific advancements" - Sorry But it means almost nothing - how much money does it cost USA fighter and Russia fighter/ How much NASA asking for human flight program to the Mars - 110-120.000.000? Russian program about 20-30.000.000. And Russian program will be much more safety - nobody who knows a litlte bit about it - will not disscus it.We could say about many things we will take an equal result. As I sayd American science very expencive but it is not so effective as it cost. It means we can't judge and compare by money (finally it nothing for us - some of my friends working in space industry not for money - and we have big problems with others who have another opinion (they trying to speculate, lie, steal - like in USA NASA system) I met these problem - it is very bad).
About Nobel. For my opinion it is not undoubtedly index for level of science advantage - the science so huge, and endless!!! And some guys are trying to say for us that this or that achievment better than another. For me space exploration - the most importent thing in our life. For you may be genetics. For others......and so on. |
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surfguy
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| Rust wrote: | "Currently, the United States has the most money to spend on scientific advancements" - Sorry But it means almost nothing - how much money does it cost USA fighter and Russia fighter/ How much NASA asking for human flight program to the Mars - 110-120.000.000? Russian program about 20-30.000.000. And Russian program will be much more safety - nobody who knows a litlte bit about it - will not disscus it.We could say about many things we will take an equal result. As I sayd American science very expencive but it is not so effective as it cost. It means we can't judge and compare by money (finally it nothing for us - some of my friends working in space industry not for money - and we have big problems with others who have another opinion (they trying to speculate, lie, steal - like in USA NASA system) I met these problem - it is very bad).
About Nobel. For my opinion it is not undoubtedly index for level of science advantage - the science so huge, and endless!!! And some guys are trying to say for us that this or that achievment better than another. For me space exploration - the most importent thing in our life. For you may be genetics. For others......and so on. |
what's your point...that you are into Space exploration? It is what it is and money is not the issue...I worked on Fighter Aircraft for 10 years and it was an awesome experience...but what is your arguement...who is beeter...how Russia can do more for less? Is more safe etc. etc. And? You sound very insecure |
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Heretical-Angel
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| Rust wrote: | "Currently, the United States has the most money to spend on scientific advancements" - Sorry But it means almost nothing - how much money does it cost USA fighter and Russia fighter/ How much NASA asking for human flight program to the Mars - 110-120.000.000? Russian program about 20-30.000.000. And Russian program will be much more safety - nobody who knows a litlte bit about it - will not disscus it.We could say about many things we will take an equal result. As I sayd American science very expencive but it is not so effective as it cost. It means we can't judge and compare by money (finally it nothing for us - some of my friends working in space industry not for money - and we have big problems with others who have another opinion (they trying to speculate, lie, steal - like in USA NASA system) I met these problem - it is very bad).
About Nobel. For my opinion it is not undoubtedly index for level of science advantage - the science so huge, and endless!!! And some guys are trying to say for us that this or that achievment better than another. For me space exploration - the most importent thing in our life. For you may be genetics. For others......and so on. |
Uh. I have to admit that I really don't understand what you are saying. |
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surfguy
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Responding to Rust:
Ok I was a mechanic on fighter Aircraft for over 12 years...FA-18 a/b/c/d-and have worked on and been around numerous other aircraft...infact I know someone who was the 3rd westener to fly in the SU-27 and also he flew in a Mig 25. I also was a marksman instructor in the USMC and fired a lot of weapons-including the AK. And I'm an expert on the M-16 as it was my best friend for a very long time...of course the A-1 had problems in vietnam...but now the A-2 is ok and the modified versions are even better. The AK is a great weapon-rugged, powerful, cheap-and if our military wanted them-we'd have them ...and the SU is a great fighter. I've been on our stealth fighters, F-111, in the B-1, F-16s, F-14, Harriers, A-10s, Tornadoes, F-4s, really just too many...they were my life for a long time so I know a thing or too about aircraft...but I will tell you the technology has changed dramatically since the 1990s...truly amazing! And the new planes are far superior. JSF, F-22, The avionics packages are so advanced now days. Well anyway yes it is all very expensive and a burden on the tax payer...but we can afford it. Also true the upgraded SU 29 is awesome...but I have to say the older airframes can have all the latest and greatest but when they can't hold up they are not worth anything. When the maintence hours far exceed flight hours then there is a problem. And also Russia has a very poor record in Aviation Mishaps.commercial and military. Anyway Rust to answer about Nato being around your country...simple the same reason it has always been there...nobody trusts Russia I guess....talking Politics here. I have been studying your history...hasn't been exactly rosy. And I hope it gets better so that we all can enjoy Russia. As far as your statements on Afghanistan and Iraq...actually the Soviets never lost militarily to Afghanistan resistance just as the US never lost to the NVC...this is true. But I have been to both Afghanistan and Iraq...and Rust you do not know the situation there and really should not comment. Both place are and will be far better off because we are there. For the record...both Russia and the US have come to terms on the Iraqi Gas fields...isn't this what all this is really about? |
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yorbcbud
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| MrYaag wrote: | I am not american or candian!!! but i think its wrong to take bush decision's and blame it on all americans. The only mistake that the american public did was to vote for him..
And yorbcbud i think europe has got more of an edge in the scientific field. |
Well voting him back in after he has already screwed up in Iraq does make it their fault, or are you missing the gist of a democracy here. Remember they voted him in for a second term. It's the people's fault, or at least the ones that voted.
And I disagree with your statement about scientific discoveries. I could look it up, but the advances in medicine are generally coming from North America, because we have the money to fund the research. Space exploration? Same thing. |
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yorbcbud
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| Rust wrote: | I mean fon Brawn from Germany and he is not American scientist. Do you know what happens now in Afghanistan (ask them who live there - all who live there don't like so fantastic cruel American soldiers. Its about peaceful American democracy (God forbid!!!!!). I speak to them many time many times, many hours. They described me what American are doing now in Afghanistan - they killed so many people for no particular reason! Before American aggressive cruel attack men fought against Russia, but when 2 year ago I met them they was so glad to see me. They much more prefer contact with us, and hated American very much. Why? Could you explain me, which of American democratic Principe give them so mad cruel and intolerance for foreigners, their cultures. In this case you say me about peacefull medicine science! Look at the map and you will see USA trying expend over the world their primitive "democratic" by guns - in this case you trying to say us we are aggressive nation?! Funny. Very funny. ) It was many years ago in China, when aggressive primitive Tatars culture attacks them and thought that they wined. Do you remember what happened later? Yes.
-"My country hasn't supplied any terrorists. Canada refused to go to Iraq, but our help was asked for in Afghanistan. " - I know that Canada more peaceful than mad aggressive USA. And I like Canada much more then USA. But do you really believe that USA didn’t help terrorists in Chechnya -it is one of the basically principals of politic in our cruel word.
About Russia was beat in Afghanistan - ask American soldiers what they think about theirs "democratic victory" in Iraq, Afghanistan. It is possible never - sorry! different level and ages of cultures/ let better talk about "democracy" - how it is false, double standards and so on.
And please dont tell us we are so many time thinking about War. I remember my grandfathers who took part in a Great Patriotic War when was killed more than 40 millions!!!!We always remember it. What did you do that time. What USA did that time - at first earned money then saw who could win and only then sent some soldiers/ But then they said that they wined!!!!Fantastic!!! |
Nobody is being tortured in Afghanistan, by Americans, or otherwise. Democracy is the best form of governing that there is, bar none. Simply because the people get to choose. I have no need to defend democracy, it is a great thing. You are starting to sound a little silly here.
I say it's you that always talks about war. Nobody else. I care about the health and welfare of my countrymen, and my neighbours to the south. We do okay here, and for the most part we have a good life here. In Russia, you try to stand up for anything, and you get your ass kicked, or someone poisons you. Life is without a doubt better here. It will have to get pretty bad before it is worse than the conditions in Russia right now. If you don't believe me, ask a homosexual what he thinks, if you can get one to even talk to you. |
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