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Mogsfan
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| surfguy wrote: | | Mogsfan wrote: | So what do Russians think now? Are they still as ignorant as Americans and other citizens? Why even vote especially for Putin? Unless, they enjoy living in another (Russian) police state.
Maybe they want to emulate the Bu$h Police State? |
yeaah...whatever...you are so ignorant |
Nah, you are the one who is ignorant. I see that the uninformed still populate this forum.
Perhaps, you should go educate yourselves. This is to the "non-believers" and the uneducated sheep who replied to my original post. |
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surfguy
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| ok there then informed one...enlighten us to your wisdom and knoweledge of the world. |
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gomer
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Mogsfan
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Putin is not supposed to be running but he's making sure there's a puppet to stand in for him.
I guess the uneducated here are making sure they are uninformed. I guess the recent (today) protests in Moscow mean nothing to them. Unfortunately, there are few (if any) Russians from Russia on this site or on hardly any Russian forums (that I know of) to give insight.
From what was allowed to be displayed on tv, a lot of bans were happening and arrests. That sounds like a police state to me. The ignorant will make excuses. |
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surfguy
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| Mogsfan wrote: | Putin is not supposed to be running but he's making sure there's a puppet to stand in for him.
I guess the uneducated here are making sure they are uninformed. I guess the recent (today) protests in Moscow mean nothing to them. Unfortunately, there are few (if any) Russians from Russia on this site or on hardly any Russian forums (that I know of) to give insight.
From what was allowed to be displayed on tv, a lot of bans were happening and arrests. That sounds like a police state to me. The ignorant will make excuses. |
actually I responded to your earlier post saying how I misunderstood what you were saying...for some reason I couldn't submit it...anyways I agree with you |
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yorbcbud
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| Mogsfan wrote: | Putin is not supposed to be running but he's making sure there's a puppet to stand in for him.
I guess the uneducated here are making sure they are uninformed. I guess the recent (today) protests in Moscow mean nothing to them. Unfortunately, there are few (if any) Russians from Russia on this site or on hardly any Russian forums (that I know of) to give insight.
From what was allowed to be displayed on tv, a lot of bans were happening and arrests. That sounds like a police state to me. The ignorant will make excuses. |
It was on the news in Canada last night. They said that Putin just pushed through a new law limiting the number of people who can demonstrate. They even busted Kasparov, the old world chess champion. We've been getting a lot of news here about Russia, and it's not looking good for freedom of speech there. Thats why I never disputed your posts. I have been watching the news, and what you say certainly has merit. |
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RusskiCanadian23
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| Mogsfan wrote: | Putin is not supposed to be running but he's making sure there's a puppet to stand in for him.
I guess the uneducated here are making sure they are uninformed. I guess the recent (today) protests in Moscow mean nothing to them. Unfortunately, there are few (if any) Russians from Russia on this site or on hardly any Russian forums (that I know of) to give insight.
From what was allowed to be displayed on tv, a lot of bans were happening and arrests. That sounds like a police state to me. The ignorant will make excuses. |
Hey, mogsfan, I don't agree with you, and I AM Russian. Look at the facts: Russia was always at her best when there was no dermocracy. Each time "the people" or "трудящиеся" went out and brought down their government, what the fuck did that do, exactly? Only left everyone hungry and homeless and broke. You want another Revolutsya? Have you forgotten that the last one killed 5, 000, 000 people, and misplaced the whole country? And then it took all the wiseness of Lenin, and the brutal force of Juganshwily-Stalin and Beria to somewhat patch the country back together! And what about 1991? It led to our country breaking apart into several countries, alcoholic Yeltsin in power, war in Chechnya, criminal oligarhs everywhere, stealing national wealth! Once again, economical crisis, rouble becoming worthless. Is that what you want? Then listen more to your best buddy and #1-thief-in-law Berezovsky. |
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surfguy
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| yorbcbud wrote: | | Mogsfan wrote: | Putin is not supposed to be running but he's making sure there's a puppet to stand in for him.
I guess the uneducated here are making sure they are uninformed. I guess the recent (today) protests in Moscow mean nothing to them. Unfortunately, there are few (if any) Russians from Russia on this site or on hardly any Russian forums (that I know of) to give insight.
From what was allowed to be displayed on tv, a lot of bans were happening and arrests. That sounds like a police state to me. The ignorant will make excuses. |
It was on the news in Canada last night. They said that Putin just pushed through a new law limiting the number of people who can demonstrate. They even busted Kasparov, the old world chess champion. We've been getting a lot of news here about Russia, and it's not looking good for freedom of speech there. Thats why I never disputed your posts. I have been watching the news, and what you say certainly has merit. |
absolutely...but honestly when has Russia ever had a democracy before now's so called one? Never! I'm paying close attention to Russia and am not sure what is good for her...democracy or not or what ever. But I can say this...Putin is controlling all aspects of Russia. Of course the lates issues in the USA are getting out of hand too. But yeah Putin is limiting the people of Russia for sure. |
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Mogsfan
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How many Russians are active in this forum, Mr. RusskiCanadian?
You're just brainwashed but what else is new for Russians who were brainwashed since Stalin and Lenin hooped their citizens for their own gain?
The revolutions you're talking about is all about GREED, POWER AND CONTROL. Your idols care about the people? Right. Communism? Well, I have read descriptions of communism and that is not what Russia had. They've been hybrids of totalitarianism, socialism and even fascism of some sort. Regardless of what you wish to call it, it is what purged Russia of potential and although Russia prospered in some cases, they destructed from greed and power-hungry politicians and money-takers. They sold out Russia.
I didn't comment on Berezovsky because I suspect he is probably another deceiver and is taking advantage of any opposition to the Fascist Putin's policies. I know he ransacked Russia for his own gain and so did many oligarchs. But, the problem is there are no innocents but as it is right now, Putin's reaction is to stomp out liberties, free speech/expression and insert a fascist type regime to curb any discussion or questioning of his policies. Of course, there are probably other politicians and bankers who are pulling strings. Always following the money and who benefits. The (former KGB) FSB are the muscle who force everyone else to follow. Guess who was at the top way back when? |
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RusskiCanadian23
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The problem is, surfguy, mogsfan, and everyone else, in Russia democracy also means corruption, crime, mafia, alcoholism, powerty, and everything falling apart. Russia has to have a strong leader that holds all strings in his hands. Before the Revolution, Russia was a lot like an unridden stallion. Then Lenin, Stalin, Chruschev, Brezhnev all worked hard to objezdid/обьездидь, ride her over. And they made it clear to the Russian people that rebellion against the government leads to one thing and that is lots of blood and lots of dead people. Then in 1991, the horse bucked again. This time Gorby flew out of the saddle. A drunken cowboy then got into the rodeo. Yeltsin. He really screwed things up with his so-called "svoboda" etc. In fact, during Yeltsin's time, an army officer like my uncle, got paid less then a high-school janitor! So, no, Russia has an allergy to democracy. Sorry, but it's true.
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vitalsigns
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Mogsfan,
You would not believe how many russians have the same mentality. It amazes me that some would still prefer to have the Big Daddy to take care of them rather than building their own happiness. The russian slave-like mentality is hard to root out. I think it's almost impossible in some cases.
I wonder if this is why some russians prefer Canada over the US to immigrate to. You know, they do not have think much for themselves there, I hear. |
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RusskiCanadian23
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| vitalsigns wrote: | Mogsfan,
You would not believe how many russians have the same mentality. It amazes me that some would still prefer to have the Big Daddy to take care of them rather than building their own happiness. The russian slave-like mentality is hard to root out. I think it's almost impossible in some cases.
I wonder if this is why some russians prefer Canada over the US to immigrate to. You know, they do not have think much for themselves there, I hear. |
At least in Canada, you don't have to be fuckin millionaire to have a doctor check you out. Healthcare costs 3 times less here. And we don't torture people in Guantanamo bay either, mr. Smartass. |
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vitalsigns
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| I've also noticed when some from there have nothing else to say they hurl insults. A national trait, I guess. |
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surfguy
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| RusskiCanadian23 wrote: | | vitalsigns wrote: | Mogsfan,
You would not believe how many russians have the same mentality. It amazes me that some would still prefer to have the Big Daddy to take care of them rather than building their own happiness. The russian slave-like mentality is hard to root out. I think it's almost impossible in some cases.
I wonder if this is why some russians prefer Canada over the US to immigrate to. You know, they do not have think much for themselves there, I hear. |
At least in Canada, you don't have to be fuckin millionaire to have a doctor check you out. Healthcare costs 3 times less here. And we don't torture people in Guantanamo bay either, mr. Smartass. |
maybe so...but the last doctor who I was examined from did it for free...and she was hot and a great... 
In the US there is free health care...I know...twice I've used it...one for a physical and one to get staples put into my head. The problem in the US is that most Americans are too good for county hospitals or free clinics. |
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jo-jo-7
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| RusskiCanadian23 wrote: | | The problem is, surfguy, mogsfan, and everyone else, in Russia democracy also means corruption, crime, mafia, alcoholism, powerty, and everything falling apart. Russia has to have a strong leader that holds all strings in his hands. Before the Revolution, Russia was a lot like an unridden stallion. Then Lenin, Stalin, Chruschev, Brezhnev all worked hard to objezdid/обьездидь, ride her over. And they made it clear to the Russian people that rebellion against the government leads to one thing and that is lots of blood and lots of dead people. Then in 1991, the horse bucked again. This time Gorby flew out of the saddle. A drunken cowboy then got into the rodeo. Yeltsin. He really screwed things up with his so-called "svoboda" etc. In fact, during Yeltsin's time, an army officer like my uncle, got paid less then a high-school janitor! So, no, Russia has an allergy to democracy. Sorry, but it's true. |
Your starting to make some sense there Russki. It took 129 post to do it.
Ah! the drama unfolds, just like a political storybook except there is no ending or happily ever after. |
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