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gomer
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| A Muscovite told me the open air markets are staffed by Chechens now. They drive to Moscow in their vans, which are loaded with produce. They unload the produce into the stalls and cook and sleep in the vans until all their produce is sold. That's what I was told. |
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yorbcbud
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| Wicked wrote: | | Sorry guys, didn't know you were so bitter about it. All the veggies and Azers and all those people are still in place if it mellows you out. |
Is that right? Because on the news bit I saw, there was only one old Babushka, selling a few veggies, in the whole market. She actually didn't seem too perturbed by it, she just figured it was more business for her. It seems that a lot of Russians just say " oh well, that's the way it goes, and just accept whatever happens" |
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surfguy
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| yes and I was just reading where close to 90% of the economies money is centered in Moscow...that's rediculous and ultimately will doom Russia...things need to change. But it seems as though Russians are all out to get there's first. Anyway I hope to see it all change. Definitely too centralized there. |
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darthvader
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According to the Federal State Statistics Service of Russia, the monthly nominal average salary in January 2007 was 11,410 rubles (about $437 nominally; about $793 PPP), 26.6 percent higher than in January 2006)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia#Recent_economy
Not a lot of money. A friend of mine earns less the $300/month in a smaller provincial city. Another friend of mine earns $950 in Moscow (a good salary according to her), but can barely get by with the rent and other living costs.
However, Russia's booming:
The country's GDP (PPP) soared to $1.5 trillion in 2004, making it the ninth largest economy in the world and the fifth largest in Europe. If the current growth rate is sustained, the country is expected to become the second largest European economy after Germany and the sixth largest in the world within a few years.
Russia's economics ministry has revised forecasts for 2007 GDP growth from 6.2 to 6.5% |
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darthvader
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Booming economy, but obviously the average people aren't reaping the rewards. Do average Russians think they ultimately will?
Will life be better in Russia - for Russians - in 10 years time? In Moscow, in the provinces? |
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kosulin
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| I'm living now in russian province. There is total povertiness here without any changes for years in spite of so-called economic boom. People get 200$ in average |
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darthvader
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| kosulin wrote: | | I'm living now in russian province. There is total povertiness here without any changes for years in spite of so-called economic boom. People get 200$ in average |
Very sorry to hear that. Where do you live? Others tell me too that Russia's new wealth never filters far from Moscow/St Petersburg. |
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surfguy
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| well...we certainly hope it gets better... |
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nikir
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| surfguy wrote: | | well...we certainly hope it gets better... |
What a hollow and inconsequential statement.
Reminds me of "have a nice day" with a fake smile, when in reality you couldn't care less.
BTW I'm curious as to who "we" may be in your flowery sentiments.
You are a fuckwit surfguy. |
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darthvader
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Mogsfan
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| darthvader wrote: | According to the Federal State Statistics Service of Russia, the monthly nominal average salary in January 2007 was 11,410 rubles (about $437 nominally; about $793 PPP), 26.6 percent higher than in January 2006)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia#Recent_economy
Not a lot of money. A friend of mine earns less the $300/month in a smaller provincial city. Another friend of mine earns $950 in Moscow (a good salary according to her), but can barely get by with the rent and other living costs.
However, Russia's booming:
The country's GDP (PPP) soared to $1.5 trillion in 2004, making it the ninth largest economy in the world and the fifth largest in Europe. If the current growth rate is sustained, the country is expected to become the second largest European economy after Germany and the sixth largest in the world within a few years.
Russia's economics ministry has revised forecasts for 2007 GDP growth from 6.2 to 6.5% |
If Russia is the 9th largest economy in the world and they're doing so great economically, how come there is still such a huge gap between the classes? It's another haves v.s. have-nots. Putin was supposedly going to do some miracle to eliminate this situation that has occurred since the break up of the Soviet Union. Yet, the Russian government run around in expensive Mercedes Benzes. In addition, they have done their own robberies by ransacking Oligarchs in the name of justice only to do the same thing they did. They have implemented anti-democratic measures including wiping out the independent and free press. Yet, Russians like this turd? The economy continues to excel or at least, prosper because the Russians are relying and depending on oil. That's why they didn't bat an eyelash when the U.S. took over Iraq and why they have a pipeline going through (bypassing other countries) to Germany. Russia only cares about their own prosperity and by that, I mean the powers at the top, Putin and his cronies. The FSB and businessmen that accomodate Putin are rewarded and anyone who dares to oppose or question is disposed of. |
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RusskiCanadian23
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If Russia is the 9th largest economy in the world and they're doing so great economically, how come there is still such a huge gap between the classes? It's another haves v.s. have-nots. Putin was supposedly going to do some miracle to eliminate this situation that has occurred since the break up of the Soviet Union. Yet, the Russian government run around in expensive Mercedes Benzes. In addition, they have done their own robberies by ransacking Oligarchs in the name of justice only to do the same thing they did. They have implemented anti-democratic measures including wiping out the independent and free press. Yet, Russians like this turd? The economy continues to excel or at least, prosper because the Russians are relying and depending on oil. That's why they didn't bat an eyelash when the U.S. took over Iraq and why they have a pipeline going through (bypassing other countries) to Germany. Russia only cares about their own prosperity and by that, I mean the powers at the top, Putin and his cronies. The FSB and businessmen that accomodate Putin are rewarded and anyone who dares to oppose or question is disposed of. |
Look, this is a site about Russia for people who want to go there, or for people to learn more about Russia, her politics, history, people etc. This is not one of those pro-"dermocracy", anti-Russian propaganda sites for you to push your garbage! |
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surfguy
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| Mogsfan wrote: | | darthvader wrote: | According to the Federal State Statistics Service of Russia, the monthly nominal average salary in January 2007 was 11,410 rubles (about $437 nominally; about $793 PPP), 26.6 percent higher than in January 2006)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia#Recent_economy
Not a lot of money. A friend of mine earns less the $300/month in a smaller provincial city. Another friend of mine earns $950 in Moscow (a good salary according to her), but can barely get by with the rent and other living costs.
However, Russia's booming:
The country's GDP (PPP) soared to $1.5 trillion in 2004, making it the ninth largest economy in the world and the fifth largest in Europe. If the current growth rate is sustained, the country is expected to become the second largest European economy after Germany and the sixth largest in the world within a few years.
Russia's economics ministry has revised forecasts for 2007 GDP growth from 6.2 to 6.5% |
If Russia is the 9th largest economy in the world and they're doing so great economically, how come there is still such a huge gap between the classes? It's another haves v.s. have-nots. Putin was supposedly going to do some miracle to eliminate this situation that has occurred since the break up of the Soviet Union. Yet, the Russian government run around in expensive Mercedes Benzes. In addition, they have done their own robberies by ransacking Oligarchs in the name of justice only to do the same thing they did. They have implemented anti-democratic measures including wiping out the independent and free press. Yet, Russians like this turd? The economy continues to excel or at least, prosper because the Russians are relying and depending on oil. That's why they didn't bat an eyelash when the U.S. took over Iraq and why they have a pipeline going through (bypassing other countries) to Germany. Russia only cares about their own prosperity and by that, I mean the powers at the top, Putin and his cronies. The FSB and businessmen that accomodate Putin are rewarded and anyone who dares to oppose or question is disposed of. |
Everyone is right to an extent here...it will be interesting to watch it all unfold. At the top there will always be someone with most money and power...Putin has become an Oligarch himself now and taken power...on one hand I can agree with what he is doing...but on the other I remain very cautious as to what direction he is taking the country. No one says Russia has to be a democracy, or a totalitarian, or communist or whatever...the key thing is that the people are free...and so if this is what is happening and is what is to remain then that is what is best. If not then we have to be worried. So far though in Russian history the people have never fared well and a select few have benefited. So we shall see. THere is some good in Putin I think. |
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kosulin
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| surfguy wrote: | | well...we certainly hope it gets better... |
Nobody moans here. I wrote it with one goal you preconceive a real situation in russian province. A gap between classes are enormous. And it's common place in Russia that province don't like Moscow and reckon (in joke) - Moscow is another state. |
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nikir
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| kosulin wrote: | | surfguy wrote: | | well...we certainly hope it gets better... |
Nobody moans here. I wrote it with one goal you preconceive a real situation in russian province. A gap between classes are enormous. And it's common place in Russia that province don't like Moscow and reckon (in joke) - Moscow is another state. |
Just out of curiosity, kosulin, where are you in Russia. Far from Moscow I assume. |
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