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yorbcbud
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| surfguy wrote: | | yorbcbud wrote: |
I can't speak for anyone but me, but Russia is in the news here almost every night. And the picture being painted isn't a rosy one. I'm not brainwashed. On the CBC was a cellphone video of people being tortured in Chechnya. We get the whole picture here, the bodies stuff in trunks of cars, people being beaten by police at rallies etc etc. I'm not confused about what Putin is doing in Russia. |
Well I can post videos of what the Chenchnyans did/do to the russians...it's a cruel world |
For a guy who doesn't feel inferior, you sure spend a lot of effort trying to show me up, dude.  |
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yorbcbud
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| greg222 wrote: | | surfguy wrote: | | actually I read an artcile last year that said he was worth an estimated 10 billion and then I just read another areticle that says he is worth now some where between 15 billion and 20 billion. I will try and find the articles |
Yes, please do find the articles because those figures are clearly untrue. Would be interesting to see who wrote them.
By the way, the Queen of England is not a billionaire:
http://www.forbes.com/2006/05/04/rich-kings-dictators_cz_lk_0504royals.html |
He'd have to be a hell of a business man, because he only makes 66,000/ year as Russian president. I'd still guess very low, less than 200 million, since he's not on any lists, and all rich Russians are on the list. |
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Generation-P
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| RusskiCanadian23 wrote: | | Generation P wrote: |
I am overwhelmed!  The way FSB and militsiya are treating Mari people are not very democratic, the words you can use to describe Russias relationship to its ethnic minorities are xenophobia, chauvinism, racism and persecution. And yes Mari is a small language if you compare it with the quantity of speakers of Russian, but still does it need to be vanished? Are Russians afraid of Mari people? And why if Mari is such a small nation as you'd consider it ? |
What are you talking about? What are "Mari"? I never even heard of any "Mari". Seriously, which part of Russia do they even live in? |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mari_El I hope that you will find the information on the web site enlightening, seriously. Finding Volga shouldn't be that hard |
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surfguy
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| yorbcbud wrote: | | surfguy wrote: | | yorbcbud wrote: |
I can't speak for anyone but me, but Russia is in the news here almost every night. And the picture being painted isn't a rosy one. I'm not brainwashed. On the CBC was a cellphone video of people being tortured in Chechnya. We get the whole picture here, the bodies stuff in trunks of cars, people being beaten by police at rallies etc etc. I'm not confused about what Putin is doing in Russia. |
Well I can post videos of what the Chenchnyans did/do to the russians...it's a cruel world |
For a guy who doesn't feel inferior, you sure spend a lot of effort trying to show me up, dude. |
it's easy to get a lot of good evidence and facts...lot of terrorists came and still come out of Chechnya...there have been numerous Russian beheadings done by chechnyans...I've seen the videos and it is very disturbing. Beslan was carried out by Chechnyans, Many terrorists camps and training were in Chechnya...and many insurgents in Afghanistan are from Chechnya...Chechnya is a problem and has been...For Russia, the World, and the USA. I hope now that it will be contained.
| Quote: | | He'd have to be a hell of a business man, because he only makes 66,000/ year as Russian president. I'd still guess very low, less than 200 million, since he's not on any lists, and all rich Russians are on the list. |
What are you kidding me...how naive are you BC...hell the US President only makes 3 times that, California Governor doesn't even take his 120k a year salary. Putin is involved in all the dealings of GASPROM and LUKOS...etc...etc...they are state owned. He's all a member of the Elite Gibralter Club...you have to be super wealthy to belong. He has bought more Personal Property in SPB, the Ukraine, Gibralter, France, and in a few select locations throughout the world. In my post I stated he wasn't mentioned on any lists which makes me wonder as to why.
I research Forbes and the criteria for those list are limiting. As for the Queen of England although Forbes didn't rank her which even they admitted is because her wealth is estimated...the art that she provides over is valued in excess of 10 billion pounds. But it's also entrusted to the state. Her property holdings are in excess of a billion. And her net worth is estimated to be about 20 billion. Plus she is a majority share holder in BP. And some of her wealth is in family jewels etc. Now then her distant cousin Queen Batrix of Holland...she is the majority share holder in Shell Oil which has yielded her a pretty substantial wealth too.
Anyways there is a lot of info out there...do some research and you will find out that the Forbes List doesn't include the true wealthy in the world. Let's look at the Rothchilds...I wonder what thier wealth is. The Bush's are not that wealthy but they certainly are big in the Oil industry and the Bushes are related to the royals.
So to be a big player in the world these are who to compete against which Putin knows this. And whoever controls the world's energy supply controls the world. Oil is not about just the gas in our cars...it's everything made of plastic too...think about that...think about how much plastic stuff comes out of china...So don't think for a minute that a guy like Putin isn't profitting from any of the dealings...he is and big time...just like they all are. Bush flat out said that the US will not let the Iraqi oil fields leave our control...fall into the wrong hands. Lukos and Connoco Phillips are sharing the gas fields of Iraq...this was published in Russian news sources...that aqgreements had been reached just over a month ago. Anyway the Point is 66,000.00 no he's making a lot more than that...his personal estate in St Pete is worth 15 times that. |
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RusskiCanadian23
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Wow. I learn new things about my country every freagin day, don't I! lol That just makes my point: how can people be racist to your "mari", if I, an average Russian, I assure you, have never even HEARD of the mari, before you told me! That is ridiculous! |
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RusskiCanadian23
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| yorbcbud wrote: | | surfguy wrote: | | yorbcbud wrote: |
I can't speak for anyone but me, but Russia is in the news here almost every night. And the picture being painted isn't a rosy one. I'm not brainwashed. On the CBC was a cellphone video of people being tortured in Chechnya. We get the whole picture here, the bodies stuff in trunks of cars, people being beaten by police at rallies etc etc. I'm not confused about what Putin is doing in Russia. |
Well I can post videos of what the Chenchnyans did/do to the russians...it's a cruel world |
For a guy who doesn't feel inferior, you sure spend a lot of effort trying to show me up, dude. |
So, you are saing the chechens did nothing wrong then? Is that it? |
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Generation-P
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Wow. I learn new things about my country every freagin day, don't I! lol That just makes my point: how can people be racist to your "mari", if I, an average Russian, I assure you, have never even HEARD of the mari, before you told me! That is ridiculous! |
Well, concerning the fact that you've been strongly supporting Putin and his way being a strong leader, one might come to a conclusion that since Putin has been in power situations and possibilities to learn, teach and discuss Mari language have been nearly vanished you as a supporter of Putin are giving your approval to his policy. Thou, on the contrary, you seem to be very loose person who will follow any leader what so ever as long as your leader is strong enough, hence you're not even aware of the policy of linguistic destruction your leader is conducting with all the force one can find. People like you are of course very necessary for dictatorship. |
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yorbcbud
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| RusskiCanadian23 wrote: | | yorbcbud wrote: | | surfguy wrote: | | yorbcbud wrote: |
I can't speak for anyone but me, but Russia is in the news here almost every night. And the picture being painted isn't a rosy one. I'm not brainwashed. On the CBC was a cellphone video of people being tortured in Chechnya. We get the whole picture here, the bodies stuff in trunks of cars, people being beaten by police at rallies etc etc. I'm not confused about what Putin is doing in Russia. |
Well I can post videos of what the Chenchnyans did/do to the russians...it's a cruel world |
For a guy who doesn't feel inferior, you sure spend a lot of effort trying to show me up, dude. |
So, you are saing the chechens did nothing wrong then? Is that it? |
Nope, don't believe I said any such thing, did I? I just haven't seen any vids of them. Doesn't mean they aren't doing those things. |
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yorbcbud
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So to be a big player in the world these are who to compete against which Putin knows this. And whoever controls the world's energy supply controls the world. Oil is not about just the gas in our cars...it's everything made of plastic too...think about that...think about how much plastic stuff comes out of china...So don't think for a minute that a guy like Putin isn't profitting from any of the dealings...he is and big time...just like they all are. Bush flat out said that the US will not let the Iraqi oil fields leave our control...fall into the wrong hands. Lukos and Connoco Phillips are sharing the gas fields of Iraq...this was published in Russian news sources...that aqgreements had been reached just over a month ago. Anyway the Point is 66,000.00 no he's making a lot more than that...his personal estate in St Pete is worth 15 times that. |
The difference between you, and me, is that you post assumptions without proof to substantiate them. I only post what can be shown in writing. I don't deal in speculation, and you shouldn't either. Post some proof, and I'll believe you. Till then, it's just ca ca to me. 
BTW, George bush makes 400,000 as president, plus a huge expense account, and he gets to live in the White House for free. |
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surfguy
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| yorbcbud wrote: | | surfguy wrote: |
So to be a big player in the world these are who to compete against which Putin knows this. And whoever controls the world's energy supply controls the world. Oil is not about just the gas in our cars...it's everything made of plastic too...think about that...think about how much plastic stuff comes out of china...So don't think for a minute that a guy like Putin isn't profitting from any of the dealings...he is and big time...just like they all are. Bush flat out said that the US will not let the Iraqi oil fields leave our control...fall into the wrong hands. Lukos and Connoco Phillips are sharing the gas fields of Iraq...this was published in Russian news sources...that aqgreements had been reached just over a month ago. Anyway the Point is 66,000.00 no he's making a lot more than that...his personal estate in St Pete is worth 15 times that. |
The difference between you, and me, is that you post assumptions without proof to substantiate them. I only post what can be shown in writing. I don't deal in speculation, and you shouldn't either. Post some proof, and I'll believe you. Till then, it's just ca ca to me.
BTW, George bush makes 400,000 as president, plus a huge expense account, and he gets to live in the White House for free. |
Yeah trust me I know what our government officials make and the connections and deals and everything associated with governments...our's here are certainly corrupt. And in Russia Putin is no exception...I'm merely an observer to his regime and it is interesting...talk about a rise to power. But that/he is for the people to deal with in Russia. I will PM you some good info. Believe me I am for fighting terrorism and in no way support the Oil industry...it corrupts. But the reality of the world is that the global economy is based on it. |
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yorbcbud
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Yeah trust me I know what our government officials make and the connections and deals and everything associated with governments...our's here are certainly corrupt. And in Russia Putin is no exception...I'm merely an observer to his regime and it is interesting...talk about a rise to power. But that/he is for the people to deal with in Russia. I will PM you some good info. Believe me I am for fighting terrorism and in no way support the Oil industry...it corrupts. But the reality of the world is that the global economy is based on it. |
To be perfectly honest, I never thought Bush went to Iraq for oil, and I still don't. I always thought it was part of his foriegn policy to make himself a base in the middle east. And he's kind of done that by invading Iraq. I think the oil was just a perc. I think he's going for control of the middle east along with the Zionists in Israel. They want to stomp the Arabs over there. IMHO |
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surfguy
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| that's certainly part of it...but can't secure the pipelines and fields until the area is stabilized. And it is about a base there. It's about a lot of things...Iraq is a very biblical place too...historical...anyway. Russia has a huge stake in Iraq too. |
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greg222
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| surfguy wrote: | | Her property holdings are in excess of a billion. And her net worth is estimated to be about 20 billion. |
You seem to like this number. Where did you get this one from? Another article you read? While Putin is undoubtedly reaping massive benefits from his position, the size of the figures you quoted is simply ridiculous. And I'm starting to think you just made them up yourself... |
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yorbcbud
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| surfguy wrote: | | that's certainly part of it...but can't secure the pipelines and fields until the area is stabilized. And it is about a base there. It's about a lot of things...Iraq is a very biblical place too...historical...anyway. Russia has a huge stake in Iraq too. |
Yeah. Vitaliy's home town is in Iraq. You've heard of Babble on, haven't you? |
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jo-jo-7
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| yorbcbud wrote: | | surfguy wrote: | | that's certainly part of it...but can't secure the pipelines and fields until the area is stabilized. And it is about a base there. It's about a lot of things...Iraq is a very biblical place too...historical...anyway. Russia has a huge stake in Iraq too. |
Yeah. Vitaliy's home town is in Iraq. You've heard of Babble on, haven't you? |
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