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mister_wizzz
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RusskiCanadian23 wrote:
Mogsfan wrote:

If Russia is the 9th largest economy in the world and they're doing so great economically, how come there is still such a huge gap between the classes? It's another haves v.s. have-nots. Putin was supposedly going to do some miracle to eliminate this situation that has occurred since the break up of the Soviet Union. Yet, the Russian government run around in expensive Mercedes Benzes. In addition, they have done their own robberies by ransacking Oligarchs in the name of justice only to do the same thing they did. They have implemented anti-democratic measures including wiping out the independent and free press. Yet, Russians like this turd? The economy continues to excel or at least, prosper because the Russians are relying and depending on oil. That's why they didn't bat an eyelash when the U.S. took over Iraq and why they have a pipeline going through (bypassing other countries) to Germany. Russia only cares about their own prosperity and by that, I mean the powers at the top, Putin and his cronies. The FSB and businessmen that accomodate Putin are rewarded and anyone who dares to oppose or question is disposed of.


Look, this is a site about Russia for people who want to go there, or for people to learn more about Russia, her politics, history, people etc. This is not one of those pro-"dermocracy", anti-Russian propaganda sites for you to push your garbage!


Come on, you can agree or disagree but you are not the site administrator, there is no dictator on waytorussia. Everybody can post whatever he is thinking about Russia even if you don't like it.
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RusskiCanadian23
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mister_wizzz wrote:

Come on, you can agree or disagree but you are not the site administrator, there is no dictator on waytorussia. Everybody can post whatever he is thinking about Russia even if you don't like it.


Well, if I was the admin, a whole lot of things would have changed around here, I assure you!
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mister_wizzz
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RusskiCanadian23 wrote:
mister_wizzz wrote:

Come on, you can agree or disagree but you are not the site administrator, there is no dictator on waytorussia. Everybody can post whatever he is thinking about Russia even if you don't like it.


Well, if I was the admin, a whole lot of things would have changed around here, I assure you!


Hopefully you aren't.
I guess that if this happened you would be alone there with your clones, a virtual dictature in other words...
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RusskiCanadian23
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mister_wizzz wrote:
RusskiCanadian23 wrote:
mister_wizzz wrote:

Come on, you can agree or disagree but you are not the site administrator, there is no dictator on waytorussia. Everybody can post whatever he is thinking about Russia even if you don't like it.


Well, if I was the admin, a whole lot of things would have changed around here, I assure you!


Hopefully you aren't.
I guess that if this happened you would be alone there with your clones, a virtual dictature in other words...


Well if I was, these would be the forum rules:

#1. No negative/racist posts regarding another user's country of origin, race, ethnicity, religion, gender, etc. Such posts would be deleted. The penalty: after offence repeated 5 times, users IP banned for a month. If after this, such behavior continues, IP banned from site for life.

#2. No personal attacks. No life threats. No hate threads/polls. Such posts/threads/polls would be deleted. Penalty: after cought doing this 3 times, IP banned for life.

#3. No highjacking threats. Posts that lead to a threat highjack would be deleted. User's IP banned for a week.

#4. No commercial ads. Such posts would be deleted.

#5. No propaganda of any kind (American, Russian, Chinese, Aliens', I don't care). Posts deleted. IP suspended for 3 days.

#6. No obscenity. That is no pictres/ videos of child porn, violent crimes being commited, and other OFFENCIVE content is allowed. Punishable by a life-time IP ban.

#7. All decisions conserning penalties and post-deletion are made by a panel/jury of Administrators, by voting on a special poll.

#8. Bans can be disputed, challenged or appealed by emailing any one of the Admins.


See, everything democratical and fair, just the way you like it.
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Fire_Goddess
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RusskiCanadian23 wrote:
Well if I was, these would be the forum rules:

#1. No negative/racist posts regarding another user's country of origin, race, ethnicity, religion, gender, etc. Such posts would be deleted. The penalty: after offence repeated 5 times, users IP banned for a month. If after this, such behavior continues, IP banned from site for life.

#2. No personal attacks. No life threats. No hate threads/polls. Such posts/threads/polls would be deleted. Penalty: after cought doing this 3 times, IP banned for life.

#3. No highjacking threats. Posts that lead to a threat highjack would be deleted. User's IP banned for a week.

#4. No commercial ads. Such posts would be deleted.

#5. No propaganda of any kind (American, Russian, Chinese, Aliens', I don't care). Posts deleted. IP suspended for 3 days.

#6. No obscenity. That is no pictres/ videos of child porn, violent crimes being commited, and other OFFENCIVE content is allowed. Punishable by a life-time IP ban.

#7. All decisions conserning penalties and post-deletion are made by a panel/jury of Administrators, by voting on a special poll.

#8. Bans can be disputed, challenged or appealed by emailing any one of the Admins.


See, everything democratical and fair, just the way you like it.


If those were the rules I think alot of people would disappear for good. Laughing
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darthvader
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't hold back antagonists, continue to keep providing relevant information concerning this thread topic Very Happy
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darthvader
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/2006-192-3.cfm

Moscow Times
August 24, 2006
Cost of Living Keeps Getting More Costly
By Anna Smolchenko
Staff Writer

When the price of bread jumped by 6 rubles overnight, Vladimir Gaidukas was left reeling.

City authorities quickly began handing out bread coupons to him and hundreds of other pensioners in Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky -- the first time food vouchers had been issued anywhere in the country since the dark days of 1992. But the gesture brought little comfort to Gaidukas, 72, who lives on 5,000 rubles ($187) per month.

"People are in a state of shock," Gaidukas said by telephone from the remote city on the Kamchatka Peninsula this week.

While no other cities have resorted to vouchers, Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky is not unique in its problem. Nationwide, prices are rising sharply for everything from sugar and pasta to apartments and gasoline. Inflation is eating into people's paychecks and savings. This means that millions of people are getting poorer, even as the country heads for its eighth straight year of economic growth.

Real disposable incomes -- the amount of cash a person has after taxes, and adjusted for inflation -- fell by 4.9 percent in July, according to data from the State Statistics Service released this week.

Even though real disposable incomes have grown by 11.2 percent over the past year, inflation of 9.3 percent over the same period has eaten much of those gains.

Some economists expect income growth to recover in the next few months, but prices for goods and services are expected to keep going up.

In Kamchatka, the situation was exacerbated when regional authorities withdrew energy subsidies for businesses, and bakers immediately passed on the extra cost to consumers in early August. Bread prices rose from 14 rubles to 20 rubles on average. The Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky's social security committee was forced to print 10,000 bread coupons to feed the needy.

But the food vouchers -- which made national television reports -- proved such an embarrassing reminder of post-Soviet food shortages that they were canceled last week and the head of the city's social security committee was reprimanded. The Federal Anti-Monopoly Service is investigating the price hike and is expected to wrap up its report on Sept. 5, Interfax reported Wednesday. For now, pensioners are allowed to buy bread at discounts.

Things are not getting any cheaper elsewhere. Nationally, a basket of essential foodstuffs, including meat, dairy products, sugar, pasta and fruits and vegetables, cost 1,538.30 rubles ($57.50) at the end of July, an increase of 14 percent from the start of the year, according to the State Statistics Service. Dairy products alone are 11.1 percent more expensive than last year, while fruits and vegetables are 11.9 percent more expensive.

July prices for new Russian cars such as the Lada sedan went up by 2.1 percent, while jewelry became 1.4 percent more expensive, compared with the previous month.

Consumer prices have risen 6.9 percent since the beginning of the year. Moscow falls just below the national average, at 6.8 percent, while prices in remote areas like Kamchatka have shot up more than 8 percent. (Prices, however, rose only 0.1 percent during the first 14 days of August and will fall for the rest of the month and for the month as a whole, the Economic Development and Trade Ministry said Wednesday.)

A large part of the reason that living costs are growing is a government campaign to eradicate poverty -- a fiscally sensitive effort that has prompted the state to print billions of extra rubles to pay for higher salaries and pensions, among other things. Extra money, of course, helps fuel inflation.

So while the standard of living has improved for most people, inflation is so high that it is undermining the effort to fight poverty, said Vladimir Pantyushin, an economist with Renaissance Capital. "People can really feel the price movement. It hurts psychologically."

In its crusade against poverty, the government is only targeting the poor and "has a vague idea of what's happening in the middle class," said Yulia Tseplyayeva, head of research at ING Bank.

She said the growth in the cost of living for the middle and upper classes, whose needs and spending habits are different, was well above the average 6.9 percent. "The 6.9 percent figure doesn't really concur with my feelings. I am from a different income group," she said.

Also from a different income group is Alexei Klevetov, who said he was lucky if he managed to bring home $1,500 per month from two jobs. An engineer by training, he is a technician for a mobile phone operator by day and a taxi driver by night.

Ever-increasing gasoline prices loom large in Klevetov's budget. Energy prices also play a key role in fueling inflation, because high fuel costs make it more expensive to get food to store shelves. But Klevetov does not need an economist to tell him that. "Gas prices are rising everyday," he said glumly. "Prices are slowly but surely going up."

Gasoline prices have risen by 7 percent from Jan. 1 to Aug. 14, according to the State Statistics Service. In the first three weeks of August, the average price of gasoline in Moscow soared 5.5 percent, Kommersant reported Wednesday.

Klevetov said he did not feel his financial situation had been improving as the country raked in billions of petrodollars amid record-high global oil prices. Despite working two jobs five days per week, Klevetov is struggling to support his wife and a child. His family lives with his mother-in-law, as property prices spin out of control. "Buying an apartment is unrealistic," he said.

The average price per square meter in Moscow is $3,812, according to Irn.ru, a web site that monitors the real estate market. The average home price in Moscow grew a staggering 50.5 percent in the first half of this year.

Federal authorities have turned to administrative measures to try to rein in the price frenzy. The real estate market is facing scrutiny from the Federal Anti-Monopoly Service. The government has pressured oil companies to cap domestic gasoline prices. Gasoline and oil prices usually reach their peaks in August, during the summer driving and agricultural season.

"The month of August will be decisive in determining whether the targets approved by the monetary authorities will be met," said Yaroslav Lissovolik, an economist at Deutsche UFG. "If the reading is such that there's a pronounced trend toward inflation ... then the pressure on the Central Bank to appreciate the ruble is likely to be quite substantial."

August is also the month when Russia often experiences deflation as family harvests from the dacha contribute to less spending on food.

Some economists said that if deflation did not occur this August, the Central Bank might have to let the ruble appreciate against the dollar to help control inflation. A stronger ruble makes imported goods cheaper for consumers, but it can make Russian exporters less competitive abroad.

President Vladimir Putin on Tuesday urged the Finance Ministry to restrain the appreciation of the ruble, saying a strong currency could be "critical" for the economy.

Another inflation-fighting tool is raising interest rates, since higher rates encourage consumers to save money for the future instead of spending it on goods and driving up prices. But economists said the Central Bank's interest rate hikes for inter-bank loans did not always translate into higher rates throughout the economy.

"The government has few mechanisms to contain inflation," said Vladislav Tikhomirov, an economist at UralSib. Nevertheless, Tikhomirov said, there is a glimmer of hope for beating inflation if oil prices do not rise any higher. World oil prices jumped 40 percent last year, but only 14 percent from January to July. Oil prices now are only slightly higher than they were when Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans last year.

Back in Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky, pensioner Gaidukas, the son of a former gulag prisoner who heads the local branch of Memorial, a human rights group, expressed doubt that the government really wanted to make life better for ordinary people."I have to deny myself a lot of things," he said.

He said he had not left the peninsula for a decade and, like many other pensioners, could not afford dental care. "People are living without teeth," he said.

"Putin speaks about demography and extending life expectancy, but [authorities] are doing just the opposite."
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surfguy
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep and so when the price of oil falls...so will the wealth and once againg Russian savings will be lost
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darthvader
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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2007 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

darthvader wrote:
According to the Federal State Statistics Service of Russia, the monthly nominal average salary in January 2007 was 11,410 rubles (about $437 nominally; about $793 PPP), 26.6 percent higher than in January 2006).........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia#Recent_economy
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Is this average Russian salary ($437/month) before, or after tax?
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MrSpice
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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2007 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

taxes? Who pays taxes?

In Russia, life in Moscow and outside of Moscow is like 2 different countries. By the same token, in large cities the level of income is much higher. An education financial or computer professional in Moscow can make $2000-4000/month and it would not be considered very high. A factory worker in a small town would be making 1/10 of that. There's hue disparity between the key cities and the rest of Russia.
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surfguy
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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2007 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't a lot of russians supplement thier salaries with money under the table...from bribes and what not. SO that thier salaries are in fact a little higher than what is reported?
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darthvader
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2007 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MrSpice wrote:
taxes? Who pays taxes?....



So most Russians don't pay tax? What proportion of Russians pay tax?

What is the tax supposed to be at various levels of income?
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MrSpice
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2007 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

darthvader wrote:
MrSpice wrote:
taxes? Who pays taxes?....



So most Russians don't pay tax? What proportion of Russians pay tax?

What is the tax supposed to be at various levels of income?


It's a complicated issue. Actually, Russia has a flat income tax of only 13% regardless of the income. However, there are many other official and unofficial taxes and duties. That partially explains the fact why all merchindize in Moscow is much more expensive than in the US.

A lot of money is hidden from taxes, especially at cash businesses. Actually, in the US, most cash business hide a lot of taxes as well. But in Russia, the tax system is much weaker. A lot of payments between business and employees are still done in cash that is difficult to track. Plus, the tax service is pretty inefficient and corrupt. That is, you can in many cases just pay off the tax collector instead of paying the actual taxes.
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serga01net
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

darthvader wrote:
Is this average Russian salary ($437/month) before, or after tax?
Russian salary varies significantly not only "from Moscow to..." "An average Russian salary" states nothing. (Do u know "year average temperature" in MT, USA, for example? I suppose, it reaches -40 C in winter, and often rises up to +30 in summer).
A huge gap between incomes of 10 per cent of richest and of 90 per cent of rest of peoples- that's the real problem. Another GREAT problem is intellectual workers (including most of them in Moscow and S-Ptrsbg), such as teachers in high school and universities, medical personnell, engineers and so on (who has at least Bachelor's Degree) often have salary below that of "average Russian salary".
(For example, salary of professor assistant (having Ph.D. degree) in Tomsk State University only $500/month, full Professor salary is abot $900/month - before tax Smile). TSU is in first 10th of Russian Univ's (40% increase in salary) and in "severe climate condition" (another 30% rise).
Sorry for bad English...
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darthvader
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting points, Spice and serga01net
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