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did you support Yeltsen? yes  40%  [ 4 ] no  60%  [ 6 ] Total Votes : 10
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surfguy Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979	Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:30 pm    Post subject: that's the question...what is Russia destined to become?
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solis Talk Show Host Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 201 Location: Wandering	Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:43 pm    Post subject: darthvader wrote: Why not? I am trying to learn here. Well then learn about him here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brezhnev Quote: Nor do I, that's why I was hoping you'd tell me. However, geopolitically, the USSR seemed to be at the peak of its global powers just before the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis. Confidence was up, USSR was very active in the supporting many Communist interests worldwide. No doubt the economy was booming? Then, Communism seemed like a possible system for much of the world. Then 1962. Were Russians the happiest back before then? Happiest was never as a whole. Everyone has their own version of happy. If i remember correct, it was Kruschev who initiated the deployment of nuclear missiles in Cuba, which led to the Cuban missile crisis of 1962. If you're a fan of war and death, go live in Stalin's era. If you're a fan of peace and equality go live in Lenin's era. If you like the limbo of right in between, go anywhere between Stalin and Gorbachev. If you like poverty, go live in Gorbachev's era. It's really all a matter of preference. But if you ask me, now is the best Russia has been in a long time. There's no better time to live in Russia than now. Quote: Agreed. I just wanted to know if Russian quality of life (for "all" Russians) was much better say under Stalin (in the early 50s) compared to under Yeltsin? When were the best times? Stalin or Yeltsin? Good question. If you like eating cereal in the morning where the prize in the box could be a 1 out of 5 chance ticket of getting a pardon from execution, sure, Stalin may be for you. As for me, if i had to pick a time in Russia's past...I would probably go for the Lenin era.
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darthvader WayToRussified Joined: 09 Dec 2005 Posts: 427	Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:59 am    Post subject: Interesting thought, Solis. Thanks, dude.
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surfguy Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979	Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:23 am    Post subject: I think one of the best times in Russian history was just before the last century...before tsar was executed...Stalin, Lenin, Krushev, were all very bad for Russia. To admire any of them is to be so misguided. As far as Putin goes we shall see...but if the people of Russia can truly benefit from his rule then good for Russia
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solis Talk Show Host Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 201 Location: Wandering	Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:28 pm    Post subject: surfguy wrote: To admire any of them is to be so misguided. solis wrote: It's really all a matter of preference. surfguy wrote: As far as Putin goes we shall see...but if the people of Russia can truly benefit from his rule then good for Russia What do you mean, "We shall see"? Are you blind? They have had benefit from him.
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Mogsfan WayToRussified Joined: 03 Nov 2004 Posts: 490	Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:04 pm    Post subject: solis wrote: Are you gonna sit there and honestly tell me you thought the Soviet Union was worse off before Gorbachev? Putin has done good for Russia's economy. I don't remember saying anything good about Brezhnev either. And i don't really know enough about Kruschev to make an opinion about him. The economy may had been bad before, but Gorbachev made it take the nose dive it did. It would be better for a economy of stagnation under Brezhnev than one that wasn't being cared for at all. Solis, you are ignorant and so is everybody else. Yeltsin and maybe Putin (to what degree, I'm not sure) were and are, respectively, puppets. Yeltsin just didn't care to toll the line and became or was an intoxicated guy of indifference. It's a few bankers and economic elite that control Russia, the U.S. and virtually every country. At least, the western nations for certain. This minority of money makers and money changers raped Russia during the fall of the Soviet Union because it suit their purposes and it was easy to do so. It was deteriorating already and going bankrupt from the spending on the Cold War. Yeltsin was just a pawn. The IMF was and IS controlled by these money changers and it made sense for them (for their own profit) to bail out Russia when convenient and profitable. It is easier to analyze all this relating to the United States, though. Putin's so-called reforms and changes are also made in order to make money for these people. Putin is likely (my opinion) in bed with them, too. His anti-democratic policies are useful to them. Putin probably does agree with the anti-democratic ideas but regardless, whether he does or not, it serves the purposes of the money elite and gives him political power at the same time. It was these motives that resulted in first, allowing the oligarchs to initially take advantage of the paltry economic reforms first seen in Russia and then turn around and take them when these oligarchs tried to become involved in politics. It was a good excuse and justification to control the political arena but also take over corporations for the control of these money changers while maintaining political control.
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solis Talk Show Host Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 201 Location: Wandering	Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:07 pm    Post subject: Mogsfan wrote: Solis, you are ignorant and so is everybody else. Yeltsin and maybe Putin (to what degree, I'm not sure) were and are, respectively, puppets. Yeltsin just didn't care to toll the line and became or was an intoxicated guy of indifference. It's a few bankers and economic elite that control Russia, the U.S. and virtually every country. At least, the western nations for certain. This minority of money makers and money changers raped Russia during the fall of the Soviet Union because it suit their purposes and it was easy to do so. It was deteriorating already and going bankrupt from the spending on the Cold War. Yeltsin was just a pawn. The IMF was and IS controlled by these money changers and it made sense for them (for their own profit) to bail out Russia when convenient and profitable. It is easier to analyze all this relating to the United States, though. Putin's so-called reforms and changes are also made in order to make money for these people. Putin is likely (my opinion) in bed with them, too. His anti-democratic policies are useful to them. Putin probably does agree with the anti-democratic ideas but regardless, whether he does or not, it serves the purposes of the money elite and gives him political power at the same time. It was these motives that resulted in first, allowing the oligarchs to initially take advantage of the paltry economic reforms first seen in Russia and then turn around and take them when these oligarchs tried to become involved in politics. It was a good excuse and justification to control the political arena but also take over corporations for the control of these money changers while maintaining political control. Ok God.
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Mogsfan WayToRussified Joined: 03 Nov 2004 Posts: 490	Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:15 pm    Post subject: solis wrote: Ok God. I encourage you to think about it and research. People are greedy.
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solis Talk Show Host Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 201 Location: Wandering	Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:23 pm    Post subject: I encourage you to get rid of your "Everyone's a tool of the system" attitude. It's really immature.
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surfguy Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979	Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:41 pm    Post subject: solis wrote: surfguy wrote: To admire any of them is to be so misguided. solis wrote: It's really all a matter of preference. surfguy wrote: As far as Putin goes we shall see...but if the people of Russia can truly benefit from his rule then good for Russia What do you mean, "We shall see"? Are you blind? They have had benefit from him. Have they benefitted? That depends on who you ask...and as a result we shall see. Too early to really tell
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surfguy Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979	Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:51 pm    Post subject: Mogsfan...I too agree with what you have said...this goes way way back and is very interesting. Two things that mix is oil and banking...together they represent greed. People should realize that when a bank lends money to a nation or a business or a individual the bank then has some control over the borrower. In terms of nations...usually taxes are used to repay the loan...meaning that the people suffer the burden. For bussines it's prices...which are then passed on to the consumer...or the people. And in individaul-it's an even more direct impact. But this is how the world works. Napolean is interesting to study becuase he was very anti world banking. Kennedy wanted to do away with the Federal Reserve. And the world banks funded the Russian Revolution. Anyway have to study it some more. But very interesting and easy to see.
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Crabman WayToRussified Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 401 Location: Middlesex	Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:14 pm    Post subject: Quote: Boris Yeltsen Dies How can they tell? I must say that I rather enjoyed the man. Didn't he once play the spoons on the president of Kyrgyzstan's head at a state banquet? We need more politicians like that! (Can't see Putin, Tony or Dubya doing that.)
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jo-jo-7 Just Starting Joined: 16 Mar 2010 Posts: 6	Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:27 pm    Post subject: Crabman wrote: Quote: Boris Yeltsen Dies How can they tell? I must say that I rather enjoyed the man. Didn't he once play the spoons on the president of Kyrgyzstan's head at a state banquet? We need more politicians like that! (Can't see Putin, Tony or Dubya doing that.) Didn't he like to pinch women on the butt? I heard something about that.
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surfguy Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979	Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:11 pm    Post subject: well I think most men like to pinch women on the butt...so perhaps that isn't what really distinguishes him....gggrrr
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MrSpice Lounge Wizard Joined: 14 Jul 2003 Posts: 3431	Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:29 am    Post subject: There were 3 interesting articles about Yeltzin in today's Wall Street Journal. Even I learned a few things. Wall Street Journal rocks.
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