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spartacus · Frequent Guest Joined: 03 Oct 2004 Posts: 76

In the US there is a slight shortage of women.

Then add the fat ones, the ones with kids, the ones who are sluts,and the ones who think men can be nice, as long as they agree with everything that the woman thinks, and there are very few to chose from. The end result is that if you don't get a good one young, your odds slim out fast.

In the former Soviet countries, you have a slighty greater shortage of men. But then you have to subtract out the ones who have moved away after military service (to big cities), the ones emotionally and physically ruined by the military, the drunks and the chronicly unemployed, and then you are left with a small selection. Many of those left to chose from, finding themselves a hot commodity, are often very unfaithful.

So the end result is that men who are used to being underappreciated, yet are employed, faithful and sober can go to the former USSR and find women who are used to being underappreciated, cheated on and abandoned. The end result can quite often be two people who cherish each other.

There are always exceptions, but there are many, many happy couples too.

Dr-Fauste · Site Admin Joined: 23 Nov 2004 Posts: 654

You have not a dated a Russian woman yet have you?
Laughing

This term is quite common for women in Russia also

Mogsfan · WayToRussified Joined: 03 Nov 2004 Posts: 490

Other than actually travelling to Russia and staying for a lengthy period of time (or at least a few weeks or so?), the next best method to aqquiring some feedback or idea of Russian women is to ASK RUSSIAN MEN THERE. Choose an age bracket (e.g. 18-35, 35-60 and so on) and find a Russian guy who's willing to give his perspective. I think you would have to ask quite a few since each will have their own experience and opinion. Yet, it all needs to be taken with a grain of salt. But, in any case, I would say it's better than asking the women. Asking them is futile as it's likely you won't get anything really objective. No offense. Asking foreigners is not going to help much either because most only get an idea from a short stay while Russians there have a better idea and most have witnessed or heard about foreigners relating to Russian women in one way or another (i.e. as tourists, looking for a good time or genuine L/T-relationship, friends, etc.).

That's just some suggestions but I think it's perfectly reasonable to hold an opinion without going there just as long as you are willing to modify it - which I am In other words, if you have an open mind even if you are a little judgemental - my opinion is not set in stone. I'd be happy to have some women change it.
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spartacus · Frequent Guest Joined: 03 Oct 2004 Posts: 76

I have dated a russian woman.

Also, you need to break out of your narrow minded views of the world fouste. What!!! Narrow minded!!! YES!!! You think things all work the way you are familiar with. The Soviet/Russian military is far different than the US military. They are very brutal with conscripts (we don't have conscripts). They also expose their soldiers to so many chemicals and unhealthy situations that it makes Gulf War Syndrome seem like a walk in the park. They also have lost more soldiers in combat the last 20 years than we have, by a wide margin. Think afganistan and chechnya.

As far as alcoholismand unemployment goes, you are pretty ignorant of the facts. This subject is well documented, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that unemployment is well above the US rate of under 6%. Even socialist western Europe has an average of about 10% unemployment, with less than 2% GDP growth (US is about 3-4%). I am not even going to bother searching for the Russian unemployment rate, why don't you do that research yourself.

The male life expectancy of a russian man is 57. Russian women average into their mid-70's. The difference is largly vodka. I think the CIA factbook has that one.

But why believe me, you already told a 26 year old russian girl here that she was wrong about her own country.

Dr-Fauste · Site Admin Joined: 23 Nov 2004 Posts: 654

Had it with ignornat view
Wow you dated one Russian woman you know everything there is to know about the world.
The conscription process of Russian army is extremely flawed and only small percentage of the population actually join it. They are actually having problems, because many bribe doctors so they do not fit the qualifications to join. I know this well and I have trained with Russian Military. Life is hard as conscript. That is no Fn brainer. So a small percentage of the Russian population actually are conscripted join the army and are treated bad. Nice choice for 20 years, if you add the time of the Vietnam war, it would more equal. So that is NOT EVERY DAMN MAN IN RUSSIA.

Unemployment. Yes it is higher than USA, but unemployment is subjective rate and based on socialist system it is higher, because to collect unemployment benefits you have to state that you are unemployed. That is why a socialist country has higher unemployment than USA. It also has to dael how they collect statistics. Many countries like Japan collect and analyze differently. That is why Japan had nearly zero unemployment which is impossible to have in the real world. Canada always has 2% higher unemployment rate than the USA, because collect statistics on the determination on the definition of when someone is unemployed. Even then the Unemployment rate is in Russia is about 12% in the last statistic I read. NOT EVERY DMAN RUSSIAN MAN. Why bother searching Russian Unemployed, because you know that it isn't that high. Ask Mark, he was an economist.
Alcoholism is a problem in Russia, but not to factor that every man is an alcoholic. It is estimate that 1/9 of all Russian men are alcoholics, not everyone.
Olga also did not state that the problem with Russian men is that they are all beaten up drunken unemployed soldiers. She agreed with Randy that the lifestyle she leads does not allow her interact with socially with many Russian men. So who are you defend her, making an excuse for your search in Russia.

SPartacus I personally think you are only looking at Russia for a wife, because you are an immoral person. You hate single mothers, because single women have kids because they want welfare money.
You hate fat women, becuase you are shallow.
You think that every Russian man is unemployed drunk., because it is what those scamming marriage agencies tell you. There are more drunks in the streets of Washington Dc than Moscow.

If you happen to notice even Olga(the women who you supposely defending ) is not agreeing with you, but she agrees with Randy and Randy agreed with me. So admit that you are making an excuse for your desire for a woman that you would not have a chance/ confidence to date in the USA(like Winston) and based on poor economy and BS spread by these outdated and overhyped stereotypes, that you feel that you could meet the woman of your dreams in Russia and she will cook , clean and look beautiful everyday. That Russian men are so bad that she is willing to dump her family, friends and work to marry a man that she has only seen for 2 weeks. TOTAL BULLSHIT!!!

Sorry Spartacus, these agencies are not your dream easy fix in life. This interantional marriage crap is just an easy fix for people and full of BS hope. I know, because I tried it (through Chat rooms not agencies)and have been successful(I am debating whether I want to keep the prize), but through sheer effort and hard work. But suspect you throw a spike email back to me. Or you can think about what I said and realize that if you decide to follow this course that you are face more work than you think. If I had to choose again, I say that is not a worth the pain and effort.

Do not bother to reply, your opinion means nothing to me.

cyndy22 · Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 2:38 am Post subject:

Spartacus and others who are so motivated to find a wonderful woman in Russia should take a good look in the mirror. No one is perfect. OK so maybe you are not over weight, alcpholic, unemployed or have some other misfortune. Seriously if you think marriage is about perfection you are in for a rude awakening. I am not saying that an American or other foreign man can't find a good Russian woman for a relationship including marriage. But don't deceive yourself we all have flaws and marriage if it is good, recognizes this and will deal. Truist me, cross cultural relationships have their own issues and if you don't see this, well eventually you will. My experience derives from a relationship I had with a Japanese man when we both lived in Hawaii. We even lived together for about 6 months.

Dr-Fauste · Site Admin Joined: 23 Nov 2004 Posts: 654

Sorry Spartacus, I am just sick and tired of these BS rascist stereotypes that are thrown around here(not just you everyone). You are an American, but you are not fat Donald TRump with bags of money and sit around shooting things with your gun. Russian men are generally great guys. We sit bitch about Skin heads, then we label a whole damn country based a friggin stereotype. We can have new friggin move called the Nationalist go Dating. In which our favorite gang(females this time) goes to finland and all marry Donald TRump clones.
THen get these dumbass questions like why Russian women marry such and such? Maybe they found someone they loved .!!!!! Could that be a reason!!!! Love is never a reason to marry. Why in hell does she have to have reason besides THAT. Is it Russian law that she can only date outside her country if there is no suitable candidates in her community. NO!!!!!!. It is simple, Olga met a Austrian man that she loves and she did not meet a Russian man that she loved more than this Austrian man.
But the dumbass comment , "The men in my community were bunch of unemployed drunks, so that is why I married you". That is flippin Valentines Greetings Card if I ever seen one. Does that make you feel warm and special.
It is goddamn pathetic how we took something so grand as in love and marriage and made a mockery of it through racial stereotypes and shallow desires. Go ahead you can flame me, because frankly I don't care.

spartacus · Frequent Guest Joined: 03 Oct 2004 Posts: 76

What name were you registered under last? You sure come on stong for a noob to the forum.

You cannot accuse me of saying all russian men are drunks etc, because I did not say that.

But as a 36 year old man, raised on air force bases around the world, including west berlin (before the wall fell, as a direct result of Reagan's policies I may add), and as an engineer, teacher and military vet myself, may I say that my opinions on the USSR/Russia/Europe/The World do not come lightly nor are they poorly researched. They also do not come from a closed, insular nor a hateful mind.

I have over 3 years of more than casual research into the subject of finding Miss Right in the former USSR, and anyone who takes my thoughts lightly is denying themselves the chance to learn something new.

Quite frankly, having dated a russian, US girls are no longer an option. It's like spending a month drinking good German beer then trying to enjoy Coors. It just doesn't cut it, and gives you a headache.

spartacus · Frequent Guest Joined: 03 Oct 2004 Posts: 76

Cyndi,

I have looked in the mirror. I have many qualities that RW find attractive but US women don't, or at least not as much. RW often like a stong man to provide a "big back" to stand behind. There are more.

Here are somebasic differencs between cultures. It is a small think, but life is made of many small things, because they add up:
(discalimer, this is about tendencies, not all women are like this)
US women call being fat: poor body image
RW call being fat: being fat

RW shower before sex, to be the best for their man
US women shower after, so they are more comfortable

RW try to look nice, like to be sexy
US women wear sweatpants (with fat poking out)and flip-flops (with dirty feet) and say "don't judge me!!!"

In the US, we joke that women stop giving oral sex after marriage (because is is too often true)
There is a russian woman's saying "Why say yes in a church and no in a bed?"

Dr-Fauste · Site Admin Joined: 23 Nov 2004 Posts: 654

Randy · Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 5:07 am Post subject:

Spartacus, Spartacus,
You surley have the right to your opinion, but man, you must have had some bad relationships with American women. I am 54, ex-military combat vet, and of all my years, and with all my intamate relationships with women, here in the US, and abroad, I have never been with a woman as you described American women to be like. The way you describe American women sounds like they are just plain nasty. You were pretty much right on describing the Russian ladies, but then all the American women I have been with are the same, as far as the showers, looking sexy, and the BJ's...lol. I am glad you put that disclaimer in there.
I read Cyndy's reply, and she mentioned one thing that stood out. That is that cross cultural relationships do have thier differences, and sometimes they are no small matters. These cultural differences also cannot be learned in a short dating period either. Some of those differences are really no big thing to overcome, but some are. Not just for you, but also for your Russian bride to be. Go ahead, get married to a fine Russian lady, and you will find out yourself. Trust me on this one OK. No amout of your research, or short dating, will prepare you for the cross cultural marriage. If you marry a Russian lady what will help you the most is being a person with good character, being able to accept her as she is (including those big differences), understanding, and above all PATIENCE when you don't understand something about her. Of course this goes both ways.
Yep, I suppose there are some American women as you described. But you know what? When we, American, and Russian folks start to mature with age, or lifestyle changes, we all begin to get a little heavier, grow hair where it never grew before, our butt's begin to take an all new shape, we begin to wear clothes more for comfort rather than for looks becaue it becomes harder to find clothes that fit our older physique, namely that flabby butt. We can't all be model's as we mature. You know, the beautiful Russian people age just like we do, here in America anyway. It's just part of life, and if your cross cultural marrige is good, then you will love that bit of extra weight your woman has aquired a few years down the road, you will love the sound of those flip-flops make when she is scooting across the kitchen floor, and the sweatpants will even look sexy to you. It doesn't matter if the lady is Russian, or an American.
May I say that all your detailed research sort of takes all the fun out of getting to really know Russian ladies. Most of the fun, to me anyway, is learning as I go, in person, not by any research done by some one's onesided view out to make a buck who know's less than I do. I am talking about all the Internet agencies, the people who write the books, and news articles because they have dated a Russian lady, or think they are an expert on Russia because they visited there a couple of times. I can't lambast ya because I believe everyone to there own I reckon...

neilrowland · Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 7:09 pm Post subject: fwew

this discussion string has been very long. i must confess to not reading all the posts.

the way i see it is if some dude wants to find a foreign bride so be it. what ever takes his fancy right. for what ever reason he gets married is nothing to do with any one else.

as far as i know america and russia are big countries with a large population spred across many different regions with differing culture and classes and opinions and religions etc etc. no one will ever know every one. equally statistics can be manipulated so mean very little, although it is sometimes interesting to analyse.

the doctor in an earlier post said something about interaction... well how old is he? when was interaction any better in the world? i understand what he means but truly have communities, cultures, coutries, people really interacted any better than now. look how we communicate right here, this is interaction all be it virtual, we communicate on the same forum therfore we have a relationship. whats wrong with this form of interaction as long as it is supplemented with the physical relations with human beings.

what are the big difference with mixed marriages? if two people love each other then i would say from experience that there are not so many big problems to overcome, unless there are some strange religious rituals or something. i have traveled and beleive people are fundamentally the same give or take the odd custom or two. and what this dude is doing is looking for love the best way he ca, thats fundamental.

like i said i think america is a big place. so the dude whos looking for a bride, my advice is this, travel to russia. but travel slowly by train, by boat , by car, by foot. first travel through your big country and then onwards through as many countries as you can. your final destination will be russia, when you reach it you will either have allready found your wife or you will think very differently about your life and where you have come from. oh and if you dont find that special russian lady then travel to london. because i meet russian girls and ladies on a regular basis here more regular than i do english ones.

so there you are. get off the net and start walking you have a long way to go......

Teni-net · Just Starting Joined: 19 Aug 2005 Posts: 4

Won't lovers revolt now?

neilrowland · Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:12 pm Post subject:

LOVERS ARE REVOLTING Exclamation

mediashark · Moderator Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 1599

ummm... that doesn't spell the same backwards as 'won't lovers revolt now'....

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