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surfguy · Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6996

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was anyone here n this and what is your experience?

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Daria · Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 8:03 pm Post subject:

I was a pioneer long time ago. I was very proud to wear my red tie. We used to have many activities as yonge pioneers: visiting WW2 veterans,
collecting used paper, picking metal around the town, sing songs, march and many other things.It was fun.

surfguy · Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6996

ok so it sounds a lot like scouting here in the US...is the program still active in Russia and if not when did it end?

Daria · Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 8:47 pm Post subject:

I think it ended with a fall of comunism. And yes, it was a lot like scouting in USA. I'm not sure if there is anything like pioneer organization in Russia this days. But,hey, it was good and kids were busy doing something.

Daria · Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 8:52 pm Post subject:

One time we took a rail road apart in order to get more metal than other group from different school. God...we got ourselves in trouble. I almost lost my pioneer status..what a shame. We had cops all over the town looking for "enthusiastic pioneers".

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kolobed · Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 6:57 am Post subject:

sweet question.

i wholeheartedly disagree with the comparison of scouts to pioneers. on the surface the program seems to be innocent, encouraging and delightfully positive. in reality, it was a part of the great russian propaganda machine, instituted mainly for purposes of solidifying the government rule over its people. doesn't sound so cute and innocent now, does it?

in fact, i think it was absolutely disgusting the way they attempted (and most of the time succeeded) to infest every single child's mind with their twisted values and ideals, stuffing absolute bullshit down our throats, rejecting any sign of individuality and extinguishing any hope of achieving personal enlightenment in any respect other than in dedication to whichever bastard's framed face was hanging in every classroom. i said fuck that, not me. i consider myself a pioneer in my own respect, i gave the finger to the great communist party when i was ten years old.

Generation P · Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject:

Well, in my country some of the scout programs have also been very patriotic. Actually, to serve for your country and walk in military like marches was the origin of scouts. And actually the military like marches still exist. Anyone I've known been to scouts have come out with patriotic and conservative bullshit between his ears.

Bat · Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:06 pm Post subject:

I was born in 1983 and happened to be an oktyabryonok (октябрёнок) - that is younger than pioneers, wearing a badge with Grandpa Lenin on it. I liked stories about Lenin (like the one about 6 inkpots made of bread), but I didn't want to become a pioneer. It was just the spirit of the times, but when my parents suggested sending me to a pioneer camp in summer, I refused. 'Да ну, каждый день маршировать под музыку, делать всё, как скажут, да ещё и тихий час днём!' I think it was very lucky for me that pioneer times over, I wouldn't fit in the system. But I really regret that I have never been at a summer camp. Smile

UsualSuspect · Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:36 am Post subject:

My wife says she couldn't wait to ditch the Pioneer scarf as it told everyone how young you were (as a girl that is..) Very Happy

She also told me that Lenin's wife formed the Pioneers by basically replacing Baden-Powell's version in Russia at the time.

Was it Krupskaya or his wife? Anyone know?

Usualsuspect

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