| What countries are NOT worth visiting? |
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5% |
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| Canada |
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31% |
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| USA |
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63% |
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surfguy
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Paul...thank you for these stats as they completey support my arguement against what the topic of this thread has now become...remember mine and your response was in regards to this statement: | Quote: | | I refuse to be one of the 97% of American's without a passport, or even one of the remaining 3% that may have one, but have no desire to put it to good use |
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I'm not argueing the 20% statistic...and prior to 9-11 Americans could travel with out a passport. In many cases a birth certificate would suffice as did the DoD ID cards. Plus going to Mexico did not require a passport. I traveled to many countries with out one. Of course now things have changed. My arguement was against the statement that 97% of Americans don't have passports and or do not travel. Your post is not the subject that I am referring to and when I did respond to you it was only to state that we can't just go by the stats you cited. I was hoping to get statistics on how many Americans do travel...meaning how many people who live in the US travel...regardless of passport...no matter where it is issued. For instance my Ex Wife is a Japanese National who travels on a Japanese passport...but yet she is a US permanent Resident. So she would not factor into the stats you cited. So how do we classify her. What about all the other recent immigrants? Anyways my question that I would like to get answered is how many Americans travel as compared to other countries' citizens? |
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Fire_Goddess
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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Happy news and yale global is not what I would call solid evidence. Statistics are almost never correct, its only an assumption made on limited information. 20% is just too low! |
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jo-jo-7
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 1:06 am Post subject: |
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| Crabman wrote: | | Paul Holmes wrote: | | You need a passport not a drivers licence to visit any other country. So with a Drivers licence, an American can visit only America which is NOT a foreign country for Americans. |
How about Kentucky? Many Americans would consider Kentucky to be a very "foreign" country.
Anyway, while I admire your attempt to use logic with Gomer Surfguy, it is quite futile. |
Hey Crabman...KISS MY GRITS! |
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surfguy
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 1:14 am Post subject: |
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| jo jo 7 wrote: | | Crabman wrote: | | Paul Holmes wrote: | | You need a passport not a drivers licence to visit any other country. So with a Drivers licence, an American can visit only America which is NOT a foreign country for Americans. |
How about Kentucky? Many Americans would consider Kentucky to be a very "foreign" country.
Anyway, while I admire your attempt to use logic with Gomer Surfguy, it is quite futile. |
Hey Crabman...KISS MY GRITS! |
Don't give him any fantasies or reasons to go Grrr...or  at you jojo |
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nikir
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 1:36 am Post subject: |
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| surfguy wrote: | | Fire_Goddess wrote: | | Also there are alot of current and former servicemen, and their families who reside abroad, not to mention Americans from every walk of life who work abroad for one reason or another. I agree with BC it has to be more like 40%. |
that and we have some 20 million illegals here too...who came from abroad...seriously 90% of my friends have all traveled and I have a lot of friends. Everyone at my work has traveled too...and I work with like 15 people. And my old work...everyone traved too. My whole family has been abroad...in fact my cousin is planning his 40th (guys only) B-DAY trip to Peru: Machupicuu. YEs the stats cited isn't correct
...and yet nikir...just wants to start an arguement K-O-O-K! |
Not with you, after all you can't even spell "argument". |
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yorbcbud
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 1:54 am Post subject: |
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| jo jo 7 wrote: |
Hey Crabman...KISS MY GRITS! |
Do you have nice grits? Just curious.  |
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Paul-Holmes
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 2:02 am Post subject: |
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Liar Goddess, neither are you. Yale publication or your thinking. I will trust Yale. You find something to dispute my evidence then we will talk.
Surfdude, Face it, the American does NOT travel outside of his/her/its country. They are in general not well travelled people. Many of them have not travelled too far out of their own state or even outside Hazard County. |
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Fire_Goddess
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 2:09 am Post subject: |
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| Paul Holmes wrote: | Liar Goddess, neither are you. Yale publication or your thinking. I will trust Yale. You find something to dispute my evidence then we will talk.
Surfdude, Face it, the American does NOT travel outside of his/her/its country. They are in general not well travelled people. Many of them have not travelled too far out of their own state or even outside Hazard County. |
Yeah you go ahead and trust George W's alma mater! What evidence? Yale proved nothing. They can not guarantee that info Paul!! You need to face the fact that you are anti american, therefore anything you say against Americans becomes suspect. Dont you suffer from multiple personality disorder, or was that your other user name?  |
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jo-jo-7
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 2:34 am Post subject: |
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| yorbcbud wrote: | | jo jo 7 wrote: |
Hey Crabman...KISS MY GRITS! |
Do you have nice grits? Just curious. |
I hope so.... |
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surfguy
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 2:42 am Post subject: |
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| Paul Holmes wrote: | Liar Goddess, neither are you. Yale publication or your thinking. I will trust Yale. You find something to dispute my evidence then we will talk.
Surfdude, Face it, the American does NOT travel outside of his/her/its country. They are in general not well travelled people. Many of them have not travelled too far out of their own state or even outside Hazard County. |
What ever Paul...I am very well traveled and so are my family and friends...I've been to dozens of countries and my own father has been to over 150. Now you are getting hostile and Fire G is right. Not well traveled? Give me a break! Compared to who? That's right we are very well traveled. Why are you seeking to argue this when I already I stated my dispute is with the 3% stat? And yes you do hate Americans...or so it seems |
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surfguy
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 2:53 am Post subject: |
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| jo jo 7 wrote: | | yorbcbud wrote: | | jo jo 7 wrote: |
Hey Crabman...KISS MY GRITS! |
Do you have nice grits? Just curious. |
I hope so.... |
this one is for crabman...Grrrr
...yes jojo does have nice grrrrrits! |
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surfguy
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 3:03 am Post subject: |
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| nikir wrote: | | surfguy wrote: | | Fire_Goddess wrote: | | Also there are alot of current and former servicemen, and their families who reside abroad, not to mention Americans from every walk of life who work abroad for one reason or another. I agree with BC it has to be more like 40%. |
that and we have some 20 million illegals here too...who came from abroad...seriously 90% of my friends have all traveled and I have a lot of friends. Everyone at my work has traveled too...and I work with like 15 people. And my old work...everyone traved too. My whole family has been abroad...in fact my cousin is planning his 40th (guys only) B-DAY trip to Peru: Machupicuu. YEs the stats cited isn't correct
...and yet nikir...just wants to start an arguement K-O-O-K! |
Not with you, after all you can't even spell "argument". |
thanks for correcting my spelling...In your line of work I know it's important to dot the "i"s and cross the "T"s. |
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nikir
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 3:40 am Post subject: |
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| surfguy wrote: | | nikir wrote: | | surfguy wrote: | | Fire_Goddess wrote: | | Also there are alot of current and former servicemen, and their families who reside abroad, not to mention Americans from every walk of life who work abroad for one reason or another. I agree with BC it has to be more like 40%. |
that and we have some 20 million illegals here too...who came from abroad...seriously 90% of my friends have all traveled and I have a lot of friends. Everyone at my work has traveled too...and I work with like 15 people. And my old work...everyone traved too. My whole family has been abroad...in fact my cousin is planning his 40th (guys only) B-DAY trip to Peru: Machupicuu. YEs the stats cited isn't correct
...and yet nikir...just wants to start an arguement K-O-O-K! |
Not with you, after all you can't even spell "argument". |
thanks for correcting my spelling...In your line of work I know it's important to dot the "i"s and cross the "T"s. |
There you go Surfguy, I'm feeling extremely benevolent towards the underachiever here this morning. |
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jo-jo-7
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 5:32 am Post subject: |
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| Paul Holmes wrote: | Liar Goddess, neither are you. Yale publication or your thinking. I will trust Yale. You find something to dispute my evidence then we will talk.
Surfdude, Face it, the American does NOT travel outside of his/her/its country. They are in general not well travelled people. Many of them have not travelled too far out of their own state or even outside Hazard County. |
Who lives in Hazard these days? |
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darthvader
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| Paul Holmes wrote: | | ........Face it, the American does NOT travel outside of his/her/its country. They are in general not well travelled people. Many of them have not travelled too far out of their own state or even outside Hazard County. |
Let's face it, the USA is almost a continent - think Europe. And, there are far many more things to see and do in the USA than for example in Liechtenstein.
However, of course "average" Europeans travel to more countries than Americans (and Australians, Canadians for that matter). Even an almost broke European can travel to 20+ countries on their bicycle using 10 kg of rice as fuel. What's so special about Swiss travelling to 20+ different European countries which are close enough to throw a stone into?
I'd argue this "generalisation" though: Relatively, more Americans, Canadians, Australians, and New Zealanders "generally" travel "further" than their affluent European counterparts. They have to because of their isolation. |
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