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kolobed
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 Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 10:55 pm Post subject: renouncing russian citizenship |
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hey peepsels. does anyone know how long it takes until my russian citizenship will officially be in the toilet, given no unusual circumstances, from the time that all of the documents have been submitted?
i recently became a US citizen and i'm preparing for my return to the "mother land" for the first time in 12 years. i haven't been able to visit due to the risk of being drafted the moment i step onto the russian soil.
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overseas_expat
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 11:32 am Post subject: |
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| If you are traveling on a US passport and all your visa /registration documents are in order, you have no worries about the draft. Expect no problems. |
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kolobed
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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i wish that was the case. unfortunately, unless i formally renounce my russian citizenship, my US passport has very little, if any validity while i am on russian soil. it's a very common misconception that many russian immigrants have fallen victim to and have paid dearly for underestimating the relentless inconsistency and incompetence of russian bureaucracy.
U.S. citizens who have at one time held Russian citizenship are often required to renounce Russian citizenship before applying for a Russian visa in their U.S. passport. Unless a former Russian citizen has formally renounced his or her Russian citizenship through a Russian Embassy or Consulate, he or she always risks being considered a Russian citizen and not allowed to depart on any travel document except a Russian passport. This can also interfere with access to U.S. consular services in case of an emergency.
source: US consulate in st. petersburg.
http://stpetersburg.usconsulate.gov/citizen_visas.htm |
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tuller
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 11:23 pm Post subject: Travel |
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My wife and I travel to Russia several times a year for visits with her family and friends.
She has her Amercian citizenship, American Passport and dual citizenship.
She's never had any problems entering or exiting Russia.
We travel on tourist visas and she always carries a copy of her green card.
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surfguy
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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| kolobed wrote: | i wish that was the case. unfortunately, unless i formally renounce my russian citizenship, my US passport has very little, if any validity while i am on russian soil. it's a very common misconception that many russian immigrants have fallen victim to and have paid dearly for underestimating the relentless inconsistency and incompetence of russian bureaucracy.
U.S. citizens who have at one time held Russian citizenship are often required to renounce Russian citizenship before applying for a Russian visa in their U.S. passport. Unless a former Russian citizen has formally renounced his or her Russian citizenship through a Russian Embassy or Consulate, he or she always risks being considered a Russian citizen and not allowed to depart on any travel document except a Russian passport. This can also interfere with access to U.S. consular services in case of an emergency.
source: US consulate in st. petersburg.
http://stpetersburg.usconsulate.gov/citizen_visas.htm |
there have been numerous post in the recent past regarding this...read further and you will see that many who are in the same situation as you have had no problems |
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kolobed
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 4:16 am Post subject: Re: Travel |
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| tuller wrote: | My wife and I travel to Russia several times a year for visits with her family and friends.
She has her Amercian citizenship, American Passport and dual citizenship.
She's never had any problems entering or exiting Russia.
We travel on tourist visas and she always carries a copy of her green card.
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a. russia does not recognize dual citizenship
b. ins confiscates the green card at the time of the oath, so i don't know how it's even possible that your wife has both a green card and a US passport
c. your wife is not in danger of being drafted into the russian army
d. if you ever do have a problem and your wife is a russian citizen, the problem will be severe and she will not be able to receive any assistance from US consulate.
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kolobed
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 4:23 am Post subject: |
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guys...
i really appreciate everyone's input... but i do not need to be advised as to whether or not i should remain a russian citizen and whether or not it is safe to travel to russia as a "dual" citizen. however, if anyone is curious and would like to hear my input pertaining to this matter, i would be more than happy to share it. it seems like a lot of people do not take the necessary precautions until something serious happens to them.
but my question is for those who have gone through the process and have renounced their russian citizenship. |
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tuller
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 4:58 pm Post subject: Re: Travel |
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a. russia does not recognize dual citizenship
b. ins confiscates the green card at the time of the oath, so i don't know how it's even possible that your wife has both a green card and a US passport
c. your wife is not in danger of being drafted into the russian army
d. if you ever do have a problem and your wife is a russian citizen, the problem will be severe and she will not be able to receive any assistance from US consulate.[/quote]
My wife "does" have a dual citizenship. She never renounced her Russian Citizenship....She "does" have a copy of her Green Card....
She goes to Russia on her American Passport...
As an American Citizen, which she is, the American Counsulate "would help her"....
Since she got her American Citizenship she has been in and out of Russia 18 times with NO problems...so has her Russian friends here...NO problems.
We just returned from a trip to Russia...NO problems.
She is an American Citizen...she has to have the same thing as I do to travel to Russia....a US Passport and Visa....NO questions asked.
If you're so paranoid about going back to Russia then stay at home where ever you live. Call your Russian Consulate and ask "them" about you returning to Russia.
You can't believe all the "horror stories" you read about traveling to Russia. ..seek the facts for yourself.
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kolobed
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 6:10 am Post subject: |
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dear tuller,
although your enthusiasm on this issue is quite admirable, perhaps even endearing to some degree, i am not seeking advice on whether or not i should take certain legal precautions prior to entering the country. i am simply attempting to approximate the length of time that it takes to renounce a russian citizenship, so i can plan my trip accordingly. obviously, you cannot provide me with a satisfactory level of assistance on this matter.
however, i highly recommend that you familiarize yourself further with russian law, practice and enforcement thereof, considering your wife's frequent visits to the country. in case you missed the link that i included in one of my earlier posts....
http://stpetersburg.usconsulate.gov/citizen_visas.htm
this would be a good start. i would like to quote certain important sections:
Russian immigration and visa laws have been recently changed, and, reportedly more changes are being contemplated. The implementation of these laws has not always been transparent or predictable. In addition, Russian Immigration officials at times implement the laws and regulations governing entry and exit inconsistently
The Russian government does not recognize the standing of U.S. consular officers to intervene in visa cases.
Unless a former Russian citizen has formally renounced his or her Russian citizenship through a Russian Embassy or Consulate, he or she always risks being considered a Russian citizen and not allowed to depart on any travel document except a Russian passport.
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Males of conscript age (18 - 27 years old) who are deemed to be Russian citizens may experience problems if they have not satisfied their military service requirement.
i assume that you are an american citizen and were most likely born here in the states. you have to understand that russian government does not always recognize or cherish such values as liberty, freedom, justice or even honesty. in light of a recent heightening of the nationalistic drive initiated by putin and co, the situation and attitude towards visitors from foreign countries, especially those that once were "fellow country(wo)men" is becoming.... well, let's just say it ain't so great already.
remember what your mother told you... it's always better to be safe than sorry. and "sorry" in this case may turn into a "oh shit, we're fucked..." |
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Generation-P
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Males of conscript age (18 - 27 years old) who are deemed to be Russian citizens may experience problems if they have not satisfied their military service requirement.
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Can't you just get away from the Russian army in the same way as 85% of young males in St. Petersburg? medical report, studies what ever... Ok, I know it might not be that cheap but I think there's a way. |
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mister_wizzz
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| Generation P wrote: | | kolobed wrote: |
Males of conscript age (18 - 27 years old) who are deemed to be Russian citizens may experience problems if they have not satisfied their military service requirement.
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Can't you just get away from the Russian army in the same way as 85% of young males in St. Petersburg? medical report, studies what ever... Ok, I know it might not be that cheap but I think there's a way. |
The only way is money and to be careful not paying the wrong guy. |
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Generation-P
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| Of course the way is money, but it seems to be very popular method in big cities, just what I read that 15% per cent is attending to the army in St. Pete. But don't they accept schooling as a reason for not going to army? Thou would be interesting to know if they consider schooling abroad to be reason not going to army? And medical report as well? I've never met a Russian who had been to the army... unless here is someone |
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mister_wizzz
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| Generation P wrote: | | Of course the way is money, but it seems to be very popular method in big cities, just what I read that 15% per cent is attending to the army in St. Pete. But don't they accept schooling as a reason for not going to army? Thou would be interesting to know if they consider schooling abroad to be reason not going to army? And medical report as well? I've never met a Russian who had been to the army... unless here is someone |
May be they accept schooling as reason for not going but anyway after shooling you have to go.
As for me, I know few russians but I know at least one who went (brother of my best friend's wife) and it was hell on earth. The only thing he learnt in the Russian Army is how to fight to survive, the weaks are the slaves of the strongest somelike in jail. Added to the fact he is been sent to Khabarovsk (close to Vladivostok) while his family was from Samara.
The only thing I know is any Russian who is old enough to be drafted do anything he can for not going, not only him but also the rest of his family. |
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tuller
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| Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:51 am Post subject: |
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quote: however, i highly recommend that you familiarize yourself further with russian law, practice and enforcement thereof, considering your wife's frequent visits to the country. in case you missed the link that i included in one of my earlier posts....
Well ole boy, your link means nothing to me nor my wife.
I've read all the horror stories about traveling to Russia and we've never experienced any of them....maybe we go first class and follow the rules of her country, and other countries we've visited.
I did make a call to our embassy here yesterday and discussed this with a very nice lady there.
She laughed and told me that as long as our travel documents were in proper order and we had broken no rules then yes our embassy would help her because she is an American citizen with American passport.
Maybe you read to much...why don't you just mosey on over to Russia and see what happens....mabe they'll keep you and we won't have to deal with you anymore.. 
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tuller
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Aw shucks...I forgot to mention...we're going back over in July.
Would you like for us to tell the Russian folks that you might be going for a visit so they can be waiting on you?
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