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Dr-Fauste
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I am tired getting blamed by the "Elite".
I am sorry, this is complete BS.
I should finish learning Russian and hit the real Russian forums(yes my russian is worse than my english) |
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VictoR-Tdot
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relax Fauste..I enjoy most of your posts too...and I don't think it was you who sidetracked this topic....uday provoked it...and the first person to reply to him was candide.
I think North America needs to research the Russian education system..because it is better in Russia...they start learning the multiplication tables in grade 1 or 2.....when i moved to canada i was in grade 2..so when I went to gr. 3 here...i thought i was in kindergarten again.
| Quote: | | Life she described even under Stalin was much better than it was in my Country for my dad. |
I'm guessing she wasn't a minority..or Polish...it's all good if it doesn't happen to you right?...anyway don't reply to this...don't want to sidetrack again. |
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Dr-Fauste
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| Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 3:38 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | relax Fauste..I enjoy most of your posts too...and I don't think it was you who sidetracked this topic....uday provoked it...and the first person to reply to him was candide.
I think North America needs to research the Russian education system..because it is better in Russia...they start learning the multiplication tables in grade 1 or 2.....when i moved to canada i was in grade 2..so when I went to gr. 3 here...i thought i was in kindergarten again.
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Life she described even under Stalin was much better than it was in my Country for my dad.
I'm guessing she wasn't a minority..or Polish...it's all good if it doesn't happen to you right?...anyway don't reply to this...don't want to sidetrack again. |
First who cares who provoked it. They blame as much as they flipin well please.
Second, during my father's time many people were starving and unemployed. My father had to start work at the age of 8 and go to school. Life was not always easy in this country and we only became wealthy in last 50 years after WW2 destroyed most of the industry in Europe. Do not forget the death toll in Europe in which many capable young men who were the future of their country died, like USSR. they had to buy goods somewhere and that was the west. So while USSR had to rebuild many ofits factories and West was supplying the world the goods to do so, thus an economic boom. USSR had to buy these goods and also lack many of labour force to work the factories. So USSR started the cold war weak and USA started strong as an economic force. THe previous problems that the USA had with a depression was quickly removed. USSR had a problem rebuilding its infrastructure. So life changed between the countries. Probably life was not bad for the average Soviet during Stalin. Steady work, okay pay, good social system, little crime. People forget that Germany prospered under Hitler compared to horror the depression it was before. Do not agree with this, but when you are a child and you are well taken care of , life is good. |
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VictoR-Tdot
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I do agree with that...but now that you grew up..you should see that it was not like that for everyone living under Stalin. My grandfather was so brainwashed by the soviet propoganda to think that Stalin is so great.....now that he isn't limited to that BS anymore...he is amazed at how fooled he was while living under Stalin.
And yes I know that the economy grew under both Stalin and Hitler...but that is the only Pro....i can credit either of them with.....economy usually grows during war anyway.
Anyway back to something that relates to the original topic...how do the education systems in Russia and North America compare? |
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Dr-Fauste
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I cannot compare. Russia has so many amazing nobel prize winners and so does the USA. There have been so many amazing people from both countries that it is unfair to say which is better. Plus I was not educated in either system.
From this site Russian Nobel
In medicine:
Pavlov -1904
Mechnikov -1908
In literature:
Bunin -1933
Pasternak -1958
Sholohov -1965
Solgenicin -1970
Brodskiy -1987
In chemistry:
Semenov -1956
Prigigin -1977
In physics:
Cherenkov, Tamm, Frank -1958
Landau -1962
Basov, Prohorov -1964
Kapica -1978
Alferov -2000
In economics:
Kuznets -1971
Leontev -1973
Kantorovich -1975
For peace:
Saharov -1975
Gorbachev -1990 |
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Dan23
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Who else is really impressed with the literature before and leading up to the revolution? I recently read Zamyatin's We, (the inspiration for other conformity/dystopia novels like 1984 and Brave New World) and found it quite disturbing. Though the philosophy behind it seems somewhat plain at first, there really is a lot to be read in it. I think about We a lot now when I think about politics, culture, and conformity.
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Filimon
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| candide wrote: | ahem, or whatever, but the largest country on earth, in terms of geographical size is CANADA. And if anyone is interested, the coldest capital city in the world is Ottawa (ok, second coldest if you include Ulan Bator), but not Moscow.
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Whatever gave you that idea! Russia is larger than Canada by about 7 mn sq. km
http://www.gesource.ac.uk/worldguide/guide_largestcountries.html |
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Patrick01
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What can we learn from the Russian people?
I am still thinking about this topic. I am not real sure what I want to learn from the Russians I will meet in Moscow.
Partly I want to discover that we have similar passions. I want to discover that there is enough common ground that open friendships can be developed. |
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sputnik
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apart from literature, technology (russian space travel still benefits greatly from their choice to be economical invest a lot in the theory. mathematics required paper mostly...) and whatever achievements you want to mention;
one good habit, often lacking in the west, i took over from russian people is to take off my shoes when coming home and request visitors to do so. it keeps the house a lot cleaner  |
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36_CKOTUHOK
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| You can learn to express your emotions with russian "mat"!!!! |
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blaked
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| Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 12:00 am Post subject: Re: What can we learn from the Russian people? |
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| wavetossed wrote: | We should talk about some of the things that we can learn from the Russian people. After all, they took a peasant economy and built it into an industrial superpower in only 3 generations, they put the first man in space, built an infrastructure spanning the largest country on earth, sustained the world's longest lived empire.
So what can we learn from the Russian people? |
1. Pickles make great chasers.
2. You get more for your money when you buy a CD with 8 hours of MP3 music burned onto it.
3. There's always someone willing to work for next to nothing, but nobody should expect them to feel happy or healthful about it.
4. High heels on boots are a great idea.
5. It's ok to have strippers at a corporate charity as long as you balance it out so that there are at least a few male strippers.
6. Underground public transportation is a fine place to drink a beer. |
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patrick_b
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| Filimon wrote: | | candide wrote: | ahem, or whatever, but the largest country on earth, in terms of geographical size is CANADA. And if anyone is interested, the coldest capital city in the world is Ottawa (ok, second coldest if you include Ulan Bator), but not Moscow.
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Whatever gave you that idea! Russia is larger than Canada by about 7 mn sq. km
http://www.gesource.ac.uk/worldguide/guide_largestcountries.html |
I'm new to this forum (since yesterday) so that's why I didn't say anything yet, but why did it take everybody else 4 pages to see this?
As a side note, my wife and I ran into a hairdresser a while back that was worse than this. She recognized my wife had an accent, so she asked where my wife was from.
"From Russia," my wife replied.
"Russia? Where is that?" asked the hairstylist.
"Umm, only the largest country in the world, crosses like 13 time zones, takes up the majority of the northeastern hemisphere," I explained.
"Largest country in the world?" she quizzed back. She seemed to lock on that part. "I though Mexico was the largest." (She is from Honduras - maybe she was confusing 'biggest on our little central american isthmus' with 'biggest in the world').
I could only dumbfoundedly counter, "No, you are currently in a country larger than Mexico, and this country is only 4th." At that point I could think of no other way to try describing where Russia is to someone that is so geographically lost.
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patrick_b
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| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 11:24 pm Post subject: Re: What can we learn from the Russian people? |
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| wavetossed wrote: | We should talk about some of the things that we can learn from the Russian people. After all, they took a peasant economy and built it into an industrial superpower in only 3 generations, they put the first man in space, built an infrastructure spanning the largest country on earth, sustained the world's longest lived empire.
So what can we learn from the Russian people? |
The other ones I can agree with, but I'm not so sure on this one. What is the basis for this statment? Are you referring to the approximately 400-450 year empire of the tsarists? |
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Filimon
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:20 pm Post subject: Re: What can we learn from the Russian people? |
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| patrick_b wrote: | | wavetossed wrote: | We should talk about some of the things that we can learn from the Russian people. After all, they took a peasant economy and built it into an industrial superpower in only 3 generations, they put the first man in space, built an infrastructure spanning the largest country on earth, sustained the world's longest lived empire.
So what can we learn from the Russian people? |
The other ones I can agree with, but I'm not so sure on this one. What is the basis for this statment? Are you referring to the approximately 400-450 year empire of the tsarists? |
I agree. If anyone asked me to name the longest lived empire off the top of my head, I would say "Romans". |
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patrick_b
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: What can we learn from the Russian people? |
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I agree. If anyone asked me to name the longest lived empire off the top of my head, I would say "Romans".[/quote]
Same one I was thinking of. I believe the Roman empire lasted 557 years.
I'm not sure how long imperial Japan lasted though. |
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