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Dr-Fauste · Site Admin Joined: 23 Nov 2004 Posts: 654

Mark, what is up with Che Guervera picture?
It is funny that he is becoming an icon about something and no one really knows what he was all about. He is one the few revolutionaries that actually tried to make a positive difference in the world instead personal power or pride. Whether you agree with me or not, a man that actually sacrifices his life (which he would have been very rich and comfortable) in order to save people (although you may not agree with his cause or techniques) is quite honourable. Which contradicts many revolutionaries in the USSR.(IMAO)

uday · WayToRussified Joined: 26 Jul 2004 Posts: 323

I like the avatar Doc.

I agree, Che was a great revloutionary who committed his life to his cause. Although he was no angel, and you must take the good with the bad.

The thing that pisses me off is the fact he's become such a pop icon - something he fought so hard against. I've seen middle aged moms with the che guevara purses, 11 yr old girls rocking che t-shirts, and it seems requisite for every angry teen, yet you ask them what the person stands for they couldn't tell you. The bitter irony of che being a pop icon...

Dr-Fauste · Site Admin Joined: 23 Nov 2004 Posts: 654

Actually he was a good rugby player also. Played Flanker. Other Famous Rugby players Clinton, Bush, Lenin (I think) or Stalin(I forget), and the Pope.

I agree with you. Media without the message. He had nothing and nearly died several times.

zinku120 · Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 11:24 pm Post subject:

I guess you guys have already watched "Diarios de motocicleta". It's one of the best movies that i've watched recently. pitty that i don't understand spanish! in case you haven't, it's highly recommended.

markhagelin · Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 12:18 am Post subject:

I created the avatar from:

http://www.fictionbook.ru/en/author/pelevin_viktor/generation_p/

where I found the book Generation П free for download. Unfortunately it is just in Russian.

I can create an avatar from any picture.

What is the history of Che Guervera?

Mark

Dr-Fauste · Site Admin Joined: 23 Nov 2004 Posts: 654

Although Dmitri is correct that he is now a pop icon. Some reality show will be made from it. This based on memory so it will have gaps.
Basically in a nutshell, Che was a weak child through asthma and was forced to stay at home and read and read. He eventually became better and decided to become a doctor. When finishing his medical school, he decided to motorcycle around Latin American. He meet Fidel in Mexico and became Friends. After awhile, Fidel convinced him to be a doctor on his revolution to cuba. During the revolution, Che intelligence and how well read he was, he became the military leader and the moral icon after Fidel. It was his techniques that he borrowed from Moa Tsing Tao(I think) that was used for victory. Che wanted to spread the revolution to other parts and USA wanted him dead. USSR & China originally supported CHe, but Che was more of a socialist than Communist. Fidel was also did not like him around gathering power (sort of Stalin Trotsky thingy). It was rumoured that the USSR and China both wanted him out. SO he left Cuba to start a revolution in Boliva without any support from any superpowers, USA (with USSR blessing it was rumour) financed the Bolivians and help to have him hunted down and killed. He had such a following that cut off his hands so they could identify his remains. Now his picture and image are being used to sell capital goods made in countries in sweat shops to finance oppression of their people. Ironic?

markhagelin · Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 3:16 am Post subject:

I chose his picture as an avatar because of the reference to Generation П

I have never truly related to my own generation. Perhaps I found it too flawed and greedy/selfish etc.

Dr Fauste

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