| Author |
Message |
surfguy
Lounge Wizard
Joined: 13 Apr 2006
Posts: 6979
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Lao-Shu
Frequent Guest
Joined: 20 Jun 2007
Posts: 24
|
 Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:58 pm Post subject: |
 |
|
Surfguy, did you read the comment below in this site:
| Quote: | | fuck you!!!Russia is the BEST,Russia is the biggest country,Russian people the cleverest, we have best weapon,our girls the most beautiful, russian mafia the most dengerous,Russians the richest poeple. an one more thing, 100% you wont agree with me because you all envy us!!! And our athletes the best!!!!! Rossiya vpered........... |
???
The problem is that Russki posts extended versions of the above comments and the discussion does not go anywhere... |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
nikir
Frequent Guest
Joined: 17 Mar 2010
Posts: 54
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 3:32 am Post subject: |
|
|
| It seems that Russki has not yet realised that he won't be shot if he voices an opinion that contradicts party philosophy. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
RusskiCanadian23
Lounge Wizard
Joined: 27 Mar 2007
Posts: 1104
Location: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada/Ванкувер, Британская Колумбия, Канада
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:41 am Post subject: |
|
|
My first repnonse will be to Jojo. No, I do not dwell on the past. I just like history. It was my favourite subject at school. I find history ver interesting, and relevant: as a philosopher once said: "Without the Past, the wouldn't be a Future!".
Unfortunately, when we are talking about Russian history, about 60% of our Past was Wars, Wars, oh, and did I mention, Wars. Conquests, defences, revenge... That is what built Russia. Not love, peace, freedom, like some other, peaceful, treehugging countries of the West... And no, I am not a 90 year old man, I am, actually, just 37.
----------------------------------------------------
Next. Nikir. I am not a "twisted little soul". I am just from a different time then you. A different ideology. A different Russia... That is why it's so hard for us to understand each other, even though we are technicaly both Russian...  You can say we are from two parallel realities... And yes, maybe I did agree with the Party too much... Years upon years of propaganda and politpotgotovka in the Army will do that to a guy... 
----------------------------------------------------
Surfguy.
| Quote: | | Russkii did you go through this? |
The Sea Infantry training was MUCH harder. It even included bayonnette exersizes, believe it or not, shooting from 15 different positions, including flat on your back, knife throwing, hand-to-hand combat techniques, etc., etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk1wj2ryS0E
That's nice... The parades always were fun to watch...
----------------------------------------------------
Lao Shu and ShinsengumiX. I wasn't being racist aginst anyone. I just pointed out that because of what happened at Port Artur, Russia was indeed the first European Empire to lose a war to an Asian Empire, in this case, Japan. And I believe that Port Artur was a disgrace for the Russian Navy, and the Russian Military of the time in general. And, BTW, I am not a Russian suppremacist, in any way. I believe in the ideals of Socialism, and those include Multiculturism, Unity, and Equality. Equality in both Wealth, and Civil Rights. Freedom for all. That is what I was raised on. I abhore greed, fascism, corruption, crime, pointless violence, slavery, and I hate it when a bunch of rich people (Oligarchs), have all the money, and the good life, while the rest, and basicaly the most, of the population live in shit, some are even starving, and no one gives a damn. That is what today's Russia is like. The country I grew up in wasn't like this. I am sorry, but, for all of you Commie-haters out there, the USSR was a MUCH, MUCH better society then today's Russia, let alone the other former Soviet nations. That's not boasting, just fact. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
surfguy
Lounge Wizard
Joined: 13 Apr 2006
Posts: 6979
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:08 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Ruskii...I was asking if you went through the hazing of that in the video...we trained in all the same stuff you did...and went through a lot of hazing...but not like what those recruits or as you guys call them conscripts. Of course prior to about 15 years ago the hazing was far more sever...and today it is definitely not tolerated. But when I received my blood stripes I certainly took a lot of shots to my thighs and arms and had my ankles kicked out from under me. But too it wasn't in the fashion or context of what that video showed. That is poor leadership and is unacceptable...if you think it makes the recruits stronger...it doesn't. And injured/wounded troops means that others have to pick up the slack. Those DI's should be severly punished and court marshalled. They may be tough and they may be bad asses...but they drop just the same from a round going on target |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
nikir
Frequent Guest
Joined: 17 Mar 2010
Posts: 54
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:20 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: | Next. Nikir. I am not a "twisted little soul". I am just from a different time then you. A different ideology. A different Russia... That is why it's so hard for us to understand each other, even though we are technicaly both Russian... Smile You can say we are from two parallel realities... And yes, maybe I did agree with the Party too much... Years upon years of propaganda and politpotgotovka in the Army will do that to a guy... Laughing
|
Well not a different time, I am only a year older than you are. Certainly a different ideology though.
I had my upbringing and education in Australia and apart from Russian school on a Saturday and the friends of my parents no contact with Russia at all. Of course every one of the thousands of Russians in Australia at that time got out of there a long time ago and were very anti communist. At the Russian school when we learnt history, there wasn't any after 1917. 
So there you see you have your ideas and I mine and no doubt reality is somewhere in the middle. I do think that the thinking of my grandparents generation only got more bitter as time went on, because the communists didn't fall.
I never went to the CCCP, my mum did a couple of times and said that it wasn't nearly as bad as she had expected. I do enjoy my trips to todays Russia though.
The thing is that all that aggression is in the past and while you can dislike individuals, it is totally wrong to belittle an entire race. Maybe it does offend you that the Estonians have taken down a monument, but remember it's their country, now and really, they can present their history as they see fit.
I have been to the Czech republic and to Hungary where Russians from the Soviet times are not regarded kindly and not many monuments to those days stand. There are however many Russian tourists in those countries and no animosity is shown to them whatsoever.
So people do get over their disappointments and life does go on. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ShinsengumiX
Frequent Guest
Joined: 04 Jul 2007
Posts: 24
Location: Australia
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:23 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: | | Lao Shu and ShinsengumiX. I wasn't being racist aginst anyone. I just pointed out that because of what happened at Port Artur, Russia was indeed the first European Empire to lose a war to an Asian Empire, in this case, Japan. And I believe that Port Artur was a disgrace for the Russian Navy, and the Russian Military of the time in general. And, BTW, I am not a Russian suppremacist, in any way. I believe in the ideals of Socialism, and those include Multiculturism, Unity, and Equality. Equality in both Wealth, and Civil Rights. Freedom for all. That is what I was raised on. I abhore greed, fascism, corruption, crime, pointless violence, slavery, and I hate it when a bunch of rich people (Oligarchs), have all the money, and the good life, while the rest, and basicaly the most, of the population live in shit, some are even starving, and no one gives a damn. That is what today's Russia is like. The country I grew up in wasn't like this. I am sorry, but, for all of you Commie-haters out there, the USSR was a MUCH, MUCH better society then today's Russia, let alone the other former Soviet nations. That's not boasting, just fact. |
No probs, when I read that you were 37, it calmed me down, cos I know that in the USSR there was a big emphasis (even political) on multicultural international friendship, (which the 'NEW' Russia sadly ignores) which makes me very proud of the ussr, because, whether people believe it or not, life does seem better then than it is now. I'm Russian as well, and it pains me as well to see a couple of rich assholes taking everything, what's more, the 'new' russia seems to use these same assholes as icons for how 'successful' (LOL!!!) the country's becomes.
So, forgive and forget, i can see you're not a rascist |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
surfguy
Lounge Wizard
Joined: 13 Apr 2006
Posts: 6979
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:19 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Well Russia is very exciting right now...and I think once the corruption siezes to exist then it will become a much better place |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ShinsengumiX
Frequent Guest
Joined: 04 Jul 2007
Posts: 24
Location: Australia
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:25 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| I can't call that wishful thinking, but it's certainly something to strive towards, and, if achieved, would improve Russia... |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
nikir
Frequent Guest
Joined: 17 Mar 2010
Posts: 54
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:55 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Your input is welcome and refreshing Shinsengumi. And so is Russkis! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
mister_wizzz
VIP
Joined: 27 May 2004
Posts: 582
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:16 pm Post subject: |
|
|
It is unbelievable how people can be so naive. How USSR can be considered nowadays like being a paradise on earth ? A regime which killed 20 millions of its own people in extermination camp (yes it was an extermination, the only difference with the Nazi is the Soviets had time to do their dirty job).
A place you cannot leave, a place where a simple joke could send you for 20 years in a gulag with 99% of no return ?
I am not talking about Russki, he is a desperate case, this said, I assume that none of his close friends or family has been sent to a gulag...
The most funny is that Russki is not even aware of how lucky he is, if Canada was like the Soviet Union, for 1/10 of the drivels he wrote in this forum he would be probably in the middle of the forest near the polar circle sawing some trees for a tiny piece of bread. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ShinsengumiX
Frequent Guest
Joined: 04 Jul 2007
Posts: 24
Location: Australia
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 5:02 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Actually, I think that the primary food was soup... |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
gomer
WayToRussified
Joined: 30 Mar 2007
Posts: 445
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:02 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| RusskiCanadian23 wrote: | | while the rest, and basicaly the most, of the population live in shit, some are even starving, and no one gives a damn. |
Surviving until the next month, week or even day seems to be an on going concern. If you're worried about having adequate food, drink and shelter, being able to read an article in a newspaper that is critical of the current administration is not going to be high on your priority list. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Lao-Shu
Frequent Guest
Joined: 20 Jun 2007
Posts: 24
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
RusskiCanadian23
Lounge Wizard
Joined: 27 Mar 2007
Posts: 1104
Location: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada/Ванкувер, Британская Колумбия, Канада
|
| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:15 am Post subject: |
|
|
| mister_wizzz wrote: | It is unbelievable how people can be so naive. How USSR can be considered nowadays like being a paradise on earth ? A regime which killed 20 millions of its own people in extermination camp (yes it was an extermination, the only difference with the Nazi is the Soviets had time to do their dirty job).
A place you cannot leave, a place where a simple joke could send you for 20 years in a gulag with 99% of no return ?
I am not talking about Russki, he is a desperate case, this said, I assume that none of his close friends or family has been sent to a gulag...
The most funny is that Russki is not even aware of how lucky he is, if Canada was like the Soviet Union, for 1/10 of the drivels he wrote in this forum he would be probably in the middle of the forest near the polar circle sawing some trees for a tiny piece of bread. |
You are the "desperate case". You are judging USSR by the first 20 yrs of it's exsistence. Yes, a lot of people died under Stalin. He was a very paranoid man, who sent people to Gulag on a simple hunch. Other Soviet leaders weren't nearly as brutal though... Brezhnev's time was the best! And that was my time! The time I when grew up! hehe |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
