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Siberian-Tour-Guide
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 Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 7:41 am Post subject: Krasnoyarsk, Siberia |
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If you heading to/through Siberia and can't find much information about the second largest city here check out this website: http://www.sibtourguide.com/
This might be of help for a traveller. |
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Randy
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Location: Texas, USA
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| Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 5:55 pm Post subject: HIV/AIDS |
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| I just watched a new documentary called SIBERIA: How The East Was Won on the history channel last night. The program was full of past history about how this town began. As the program continued on to present times it said that this town has the fastest growing population of HIV / AIDS in the world. The cause of this was the high rate of prostitution, and drug abuse. Didn't Winston say something about looking for women there? |
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Siberian-Tour-Guide
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| Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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The second largest city in Siberia is Krasnoyarsk. Regarding HIV/AIDS dynamics rate it is not true that Kras is no.1 in the world. There is misunderstanding or not accurate documentary because it is clearly known which Russian city has such problem. But I can't understand how it is related to the OP as long as the link I suggested takes you to the website for travellers and does not offer any statistics on HIV, druggs, prostitution, organized crime etc... Are there no such things in glorious Texas?
I watched a documentary about Ku Klux Klan and Texan separatists who want independence to Texas. Can it take US apart someday?  |
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Randy
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Location: Texas, USA
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| Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 7:55 pm Post subject: AIDS |
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Tour Guide,
It seems you are offended about my post. I apologize if this is the case. Yes, we have the Klan, the Texas seperatist, and even HIV / AIDS here, but the probelms are not so bad that you will not find any travelers warnings to tourist such as I have seen from both the American, and Russian government. The Russian news channel in St.Pete says that AIDS is more worse there in St.Pete than anywhere. The documentary didn't say that Krasnoyarsk had the largest population of AIDS, it said the city had the fastest growing population of AIDS. Besides, what does the Klan, or seperatist have to do with AIDS? I also don't know any website for traveler's that would even acknowledge an AIDS problem to a city which it is promoting. That's why sometimes those government watch dogs publish those warnings to traveler's because the traveler's websites won't do it because they might loose money if they did. If I was from Russia and was planing to visit Texas, I would sure want to know, wouldn't you? |
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Siberian-Tour-Guide
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| Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 3:57 am Post subject: |
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Lately there was a special eddition of "Time" magazine covering the situation with AIDS on the planet. Very well done, I guess you can find it. Is the problem that travel oriented websites don't have much information on AIDS rate?
If I travel to Texas I would not worry much about that. First of all, all of these mentioned deseases normally appear whith a certain way of life. I personally share the values of the traditional/archaic type of the society the humanity gained in 1000s years of the history. The human experience clearly says what is good and what is bad. So even traveling to Africa, where the AIDS is highest you will be protected if don't support certain lifestyle.
I am not surprized that on travel oriented websites there is no such information. But it is available if you put some efforts to find. |
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Randy
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| Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 4:56 am Post subject: a reply |
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| Your correct, and I agree with you. AIDS wouldn't stop me from visiting your city either, because I don't support that lifestyle. I too am like you in being traditional. I don't travel to Russia looking for sex, but there are those, I'm sad to say, who do, and they are the ones who need to be warned. You won't be bothered in Texas with the Klan, or seperatist either unless you go looking for them. The documentary I mentioned about your city was very educating though. It sounds like an interesting place. |
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Siberian-Tour-Guide
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| Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:24 am Post subject: |
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I'd say this is even not accurate to say: [AIDS wouldn't stop me from visiting your city either] It is unfortunetly there but not that big issue as you can think after this documentary. But all I wanted to say that this is simply not truth that Krasnoyarsk had fastest growing HIV/AIDS population. Perhaps, it was Kaliningrad...? Here in Siberia I am involved in some researches focusing on some aspects of local life. I deal with statistics numbers and you can believe me. I don't know why it was in the documentary. But I can even proof that currently HIV/AIDS population goes down after a recent jump.
I think Americans just tend to trust media much with no objections. They thought that Saddam has WMD and I believe there were such educational and trustworth documentories at the time... All the western media screamed about thousands of burried albanians in Kosovo just before NATO invaded Yugoslavia. But now they did not present us any common graves with such number of people. I guess sometimes we believe our media to much. The only issue I am interested why do they lie sometimes, although time always answers soon or later.
Still trust your TV screen? |
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Randy
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| Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:48 am Post subject: Tour Guide |
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| I am sure that you are more aware of the numbers there. But I think the real question is who do we trust, documentaries, tourist websites, news papers, government warnings, etc? Trust has to be earned, not given as a gift. It is difficult to know who, or what to trust. The best, I believe, is to trust one's own experiences, or someone I personally know who has had the experience I seek. I know for a fact that not everything I read in news papers is true, or any media, and I have been scammed by one tour agency. I have never been to your city before, and honestly don't know much about it other than what I have read about. But since I have lived in other parts of Russia, and have family there to help me with questions, I have had many good, and a few bad experiences to learn from. I care a lot about Russia, my family, and friends there. Do not take my words the wrong way in thinking I am speaking badly about your city, or country. Although I do not plan on living there again, I still plan on making visits. |
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cristin
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| Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 6:57 pm Post subject: documentary Re:HIV in Kras. |
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| I also watched the documentary about Siberia and as I recall it stated that Russia had the fastest growing population of HIV/AIDS not Krasnoyarsk. Because the documentary was about Siberia they used Krasnoyarsk as an example. As in all large cities all over the world we will find negative and positive aspects. I was fortunate enough to visit Krasnoyarsk and found the city to be charming with warm and well educated people who went out of their way to make my family feel comfortable. I am looking forward to the time I can visit again. |
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