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Ender WayToRussified Joined: 23 Aug 2006 Posts: 498 Location: Urals	Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:56 pm    Post subject: vox16 wrote: For stripping power off local governing units ( zemstva ) and building 'vertical of power' like guess who? At least under rule of "guess who" i live better and better. So, maybe 'vertical of power' is not so bad?
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Daria Lounge Wizard Joined: 16 May 2005 Posts: 1146 Location: Canada	Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:22 am    Post subject: vox16 wrote: ...... two unsuccessful wars, finally exhausted Russia and lead to communism? Lead to Communism? One of greatest myths of history is that the Bolshevic Revolution was a popular uprising of the downtrodden masses against the hated ruling class of the Czars. Russian Revolution was planned and funded by wealthy Wall Street bankers. In 1915 the American International Corporation was formed to fund the Russian Revolution. It's directors represented Rockefeller, Rothchild, Du Pont, Kuhn, Loeb, and the Federal Reserve. So, please. Romanovs were in the wrong place in the wrong time....
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Ender WayToRussified Joined: 23 Aug 2006 Posts: 498 Location: Urals	Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:38 am    Post subject: Daria wrote: vox16 wrote: ...... two unsuccessful wars, finally exhausted Russia and lead to communism? One of greatest myths of history is that the Bolshevic Revolution was a popular uprising of the downtrodden masses against the hated ruling class of the Czars. Russian Revolution was planned and funded by wealthy Wall Street bankers. So, please. Romanovs were in the wrong place in the wrong time.... And of course people in the country were rich, successfull, healthy and happy... they just bored and tried to play revolution.
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StephenB. VIP Joined: 18 Aug 2007 Posts: 807	Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:51 am    Post subject: Interesting Daria..I never heard that, however, I know that DuPont was the biggest supplier of gunpowder during WWI for the US and its allies. I have to do some research and look who funded Communism during that time.
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vox16 Just Starting Joined: 14 Apr 2010 Posts: 5	Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:52 am    Post subject: Ender wrote: vox16 wrote: For stripping power off local governing units ( zemstva ) and building 'vertical of power' like guess who? At least under rule of "guess who" i live better and better. So, maybe 'vertical of power' is not so bad? It is correlation or coincidence but not consequence. Maybe g.w. also pushed up oil price as well? Vertical of power is not bad when everything goes ok. But it destroys feedback system, and make system rigid and unable to cope with external events.
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vox16 Just Starting Joined: 14 Apr 2010 Posts: 5	Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:57 am    Post subject: Daria wrote: vox16 wrote: ...... two unsuccessful wars, finally exhausted Russia and lead to communism? Lead to Communism? One of greatest myths of history is that the Bolshevic Revolution was a popular uprising of the downtrodden masses against the hated ruling class of the Czars. Russian Revolution was planned and funded by wealthy Wall Street bankers. I'm not going to accept your first statement as a absolute truth or argue with it. I just want to ask - why Russian bankers and property owners could not resist their influence? Because were not represented in power, and the country was lead by improper - yes- in the wrong place in the wrong time - leader. Without any possibility to remove him untils everything was completely screwed up.
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surfguy Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979	Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:22 am    Post subject: yes partly so...the masses never lead any uprisings...people are sheep
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Daria Lounge Wizard Joined: 16 May 2005 Posts: 1146 Location: Canada	Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:36 am    Post subject: vox16 wrote: Daria wrote: vox16 wrote: ...... two unsuccessful wars, finally exhausted Russia and lead to communism? Lead to Communism? One of greatest myths of history is that the Bolshevic Revolution was a popular uprising of the downtrodden masses against the hated ruling class of the Czars. Russian Revolution was planned and funded by wealthy Wall Street bankers. I'm not going to accept your first statement as a absolute truth or argue with it. I just want to ask - why Russian bankers and property owners could not resist their influence? Because were not represented in power, and the country was lead by improper - yes- in the wrong place in the wrong time - leader. Without any possibility to remove him untils everything was completely screwed up. Who could resist any of the Rothchilds? Read up and see how they brought even England to its knees at the height of its colonial period. It does not matter who you read, for or against, they state the same facts. Either bragging or critisizing. Try going to a library while they still exsist in the USA.
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surfguy Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979	Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:42 am    Post subject: the rothchilds controlled Clinton..it was said that as a child he was known to visit with the rothchilds. JP Morgan was in huge debt to them too. The Brittish crown today is of german descendt
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Jorge Lounge Lizard Joined: 10 Aug 2007 Posts: 162	Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:52 am    Post subject: See the movie "Zeitgeist".
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Daria Lounge Wizard Joined: 16 May 2005 Posts: 1146 Location: Canada	Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:58 am    Post subject: surfguy wrote: the rothchilds controlled Clinton..it was said that as a child he was known to visit with the rothchilds. JP Morgan was in huge debt to them too. The Brittish crown today is of german descendt The Romonovs were also of German descent, ie, Katherine the Great. The Rothchilds controlled many American Presidents before Clinton. In fact, the only 4 presidents to be assassinated were the only presidents to try to change the banking system in America, ie, Lincoln, McKinnely, Garfield, Kennedy. Why were they the only 4 who tried to change laws that did not favour the Rothchilds, die while in office? Is it a conspiracy or just chance?
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Daria Lounge Wizard Joined: 16 May 2005 Posts: 1146 Location: Canada	Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 9:04 am    Post subject: Did any of you Americans know that the Federal Reserve is actually privatley owned? The Rothchilds own it along with the Browns, Raleighs, Kohns, and a few other private investors? If you doubt this look up their own web site. We are all slaves.
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Jorge Lounge Lizard Joined: 10 Aug 2007 Posts: 162	Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 9:13 am    Post subject: Daria wrote: Did any of you Americans know that the Federal Reserve is actually privatley owned? The Rothchilds own it along with the Browns, Raleighs, Kohns, and a few other private investors? If you doubt this look up their own web site. We are all slaves. I knew this but, I am wondering since this is unconstitutional why alot of Americans are getting hassled by the IRS to pay income tax, and why they are allowed to put liens against all your assets. Couldn't someone fight this in court? If its unconstitutional then how come people go to jail for this?
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Daria Lounge Wizard Joined: 16 May 2005 Posts: 1146 Location: Canada	Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 9:25 am    Post subject: Jorge wrote: Daria wrote: Did any of you Americans know that the Federal Reserve is actually privatley owned? The Rothchilds own it along with the Browns, Raleighs, Kohns, and a few other private investors? If you doubt this look up their own web site. We are all slaves. I knew this but, I am wondering since this is unconstitutional why alot of Americans are getting hassled by the IRS to pay income tax, and why they are allowed to put liens against all your assets. Couldn't someone fight this in court? If its unconstitutional then how come people go to jail for this? The Bill of Rights has in effect been suspended since the end of WW2. Do not for a second doubt this as the supreme court decisions show this. It is time to wake up!!!! you have no liberty. Prove me wrong by case law or edict since 1946. Good luck.I do not know about the U.S.A, but in Canada, income tax was a temporary measure to pay for WW1. It was not suppossed to last. In fact it was contrary to the B.N.A, or the British North American Act, which clearly stated that noboby should be taxed on the basis of income. If you were not all so concerned about tea, you might have known this.
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surfguy Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979	Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 9:30 am    Post subject: a lot of us Americans know this...in fact Kennedy was the 2nd President wanting to do away with the federal reserve...And both Presidents were assassinated...McKinley being the other. There was a documentary called the money changers and it goes into a lot of this
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