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Yuri-s-Girl
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This book I'm reading, well I'm at the section where Stalin is running the country. My golly gee, Stalin, aptly named Man of Steel, he just wiped out just about anyone standing in his way. The book says his father was a drunkard and abused him. Well he sure took it out on millions of people living under his control.
There is so much information to absorb, I'll be skimming over this book again but it's quite fascinating to read. Horrible about the people being wiped out though.
Do you think he helped the country along or was it just a reign of terror?
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surfguy
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| russia was so brutalized by him...so unfortunate! |
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Crabman
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| Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 9:42 pm Post subject: Re: Joseph Stalin |
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| Yuri's Girl wrote: | | ... My golly gee, Stalin, aptly named Man of Steel, he just wiped out just about anyone standing in his way. ... |
It isn't often that one sees "golly gee" and Stalin in the same sentence. |
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gomer
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| There is a quote somewhere by Winston Churchill that said when Stalin first led Russia, all Russia had was the wooden plough. When Stalin died, Russia had the nuclear bomb. |
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Generation-P
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| Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:43 pm Post subject: Re: Joseph Stalin |
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| Yuri's Girl wrote: | The book says his father was a drunkard and abused him. Well he sure took it out on millions of people living under his control.
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Didn't his father die or abondon his family when josef was no more than 5 years old? |
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Yuri-s-Girl
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| Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:52 am Post subject: Re: Joseph Stalin |
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| Generation P wrote: | | Yuri's Girl wrote: | The book says his father was a drunkard and abused him. Well he sure took it out on millions of people living under his control.
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Didn't his father die or abondon his family when josef was no more than 5 years old? |
Possibly, the book doesn't give that information, they gloss over his early years but he turned out to be quite the rebel rouser. Expelled from a seminary his mother had got him in to. LOL The book says "he preferred revolutionary literature to the Bible and got involved with clandestine political circles, liked the themes of dictatorship, terror, modernity, progress and leadership in Lenin's writings."
Found his calling and went to join Lenin.
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mr-barley
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| gomer wrote: | | There is a quote somewhere by Winston Churchill that said when Stalin first led Russia, all Russia had was the wooden plough. When Stalin died, Russia had the nuclear bomb. |
A very true statement. Stalin did take Russia from a peasant society to a super power. Of coarse, many died in the processs. He was a man with a brutal vision. |
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surfguy
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| I read he was a very paranoid man too...but honestly Russia wasn't a super power until after Stalin's time IMHO...because when the rest of the modern world is laying in ruins...what doesd this really mean. Developed societies of the times were prety destroyed due to years of wars. With the exception of the other super power the USA. SO really there wer no other players. With the rebuild of Western Europe over a 45 year period...the Soviet Union decayed and colapsed. So is that a Super Power? I think not. But this said I think the up coming future of a new Russia...we will in fact see Russia become the Super power that the USSR never really was. The Soviet Bomber that was just intercepted by the British was a Prop job...so obsolete by today's standards in Aviation...but it's a start and Russia is going to catch up very fast...IMHO |
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surfguy
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| Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 8:52 am Post subject: Re: Joseph Stalin |
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| Yuri's Girl wrote: | | Generation P wrote: | | Yuri's Girl wrote: | The book says his father was a drunkard and abused him. Well he sure took it out on millions of people living under his control.
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Didn't his father die or abondon his family when josef was no more than 5 years old? |
Possibly, the book doesn't give that information, they gloss over his early years but he turned out to be quite the rebel rouser. Expelled from a seminary his mother had got him in to. LOL The book says "he preferred revolutionary literature to the Bible and got involved with clandestine political circles, liked the themes of dictatorship, terror, modernity, progress and leadership in Lenin's writings."
Found his calling and went to join Lenin.
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He was a pathetic person...full of hate and rage...evil I guess one might say |
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Jorge
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| Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 10:35 am Post subject: Re: Joseph Stalin |
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| Generation P wrote: |
Didn't his father die or abondon his family when josef was no more than 5 years old? |
It does not matter, his father still could have abused him within that short window of time, and that would be all he needed in order to be scarred for life. The first 5 years of a child's life are the most important years, where they absorb the most. |
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surfguy
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| the guy had so many issues...and he made people pay...he desrves no credit for doing Russia any good or the world...he was a disgrace and a pathetic human being...under achiever...insecure...and a major inferiority complex...besides that he wasn't even attractive |
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StephenB.
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| surfguy wrote: | | I read he was a very paranoid man too...but honestly Russia wasn't a super power until after Stalin's time IMHO...because when the rest of the modern world is laying in ruins...what doesd this really mean. Developed societies of the times were prety destroyed due to years of wars. With the exception of the other super power the USA. SO really there wer no other players. With the rebuild of Western Europe over a 45 year period...the Soviet Union decayed and colapsed. So is that a Super Power? I think not. But this said I think the up coming future of a new Russia...we will in fact see Russia become the Super power that the USSR never really was. The Soviet Bomber that was just intercepted by the British was a Prop job...so obsolete by today's standards in Aviation...but it's a start and Russia is going to catch up very fast...IMHO |
Also how could it been a Super Power when people waited on lines for hours just for bread and other basic products to live. In my opinion a Super Power is a country that has a high standard of living, provides its country with the necessary basic needs of living and has influence around the World in politics and economics. Whereas, Russia ignored her people and bancrupt the country in order to be competitive with the USA in the weapons department. As we all know from the 80s America was doing very well and came out smelling like a rose and Russia came out smelling like bacala (dried codfish).  |
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surfguy
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| absolutely stephen B. And so Russia learned the huge lesson that the USSR taught. So it is up to Putin to correct and to start the resurrection of Russia...how a jack ass from Georgia made it to be the leader of Russia is beyond me...yes all Russia was part of the USSR but not all the USSR was Russia. It's about time that russians good or bad are back in control of thier mother land. Putin is after all from St Pete...he is Russian. Stalin...was a evil man that was raised on hate and humiliation...key ingredients for evilness |
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StephenB.
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| God only knows how a pox marked Georgian became leader...I guess through murder, intimidation, torture, fear etc...the typical Cheka tactics. This was a guy who was studying to be a priest...yikes! He didn't even like his own countrymen to some extent...Well when you rule with fear people will listen to you. Most of those beautiful monasteries were turned into Gulags, hospitals, museums etc...this was a very sick person and the people who loved him are the people who benefited from his hate and are worshippers of nostaglia. |
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Yuri-s-Girl
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| surfguy wrote: | | the guy had so many issues...and he made people pay...he desrves no credit for doing Russia any good or the world...he was a disgrace and a pathetic human being...under achiever...insecure...and a major inferiority complex...besides that he wasn't even attractive |
Attractiveness, since he lacked looks, he decided to kill all sorts of people.
Well people have done harm for less I'm sure.
He was even killing his ministers! This guy was whacked for sure!
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