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greg222
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| Those women are beggars. Usually the sign says the father is dead or there's some sad story there. Is it that strange? Begging must bring in decent money in Moscow. |
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overseas_expat
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One of my co-workers died last year. He was 25 and the father of a 4 month old baby. His widow was 21.
Gratefully she had family to help take care of her. I suppose women without family are left to beg. There is no social safety net in Russia.
I give money to beggars all the time. And food and beer or whatever I have on me at the time. I often buy things on the street and in the Metro I don't want just because the sellers (always women) need the money.
The only people I never ever give money to are
Gypsies
And those black leather outfitted kids playing bad rock in the perehods. They are really annoying. |
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gomer
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| StephenB. wrote: | Is it for real these women in the Metro? I'm sure they have some social agency that can help them..  |
I see some of these pregnant women once in awhile in the crossover tunnels between Metro stations. I don't see them every day but I don't go to all Metro stations every day either. I don't know on any given day, how many pregnant women are begging in the Metro. The ones I have seen are young and attractive. Even begging, they still manage to look good. |
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nikir
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I've heard from many people that these women are all working for the mafia.
Never been sure if that's an urban myth or not, however my own philosophy has always been one of gut reaction. Consequently more often than not I end up parting with a few roubles in the perehods. Big deal.
The rockers get some too, late at night and well affected by alcohol, some of them sound pretty bloody good! |
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jo-jo-7
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If I was there and can spare some change (rubles) then I would give it to them. You never know they could really need it. Then they could be faking pregnancy, who knows. I wouldn't want to just assume they are or not. I would not beg if I was pregnant, I would get out and go some place else where I know that I would be able to get some help instead of staying in a place that doesn't give a damn whether I make it or not.
BTW, where are their families, not ex-husbands, not deceased husbands more like mother-n-law, father-n-law (if she is a widow) or her family? Why would they allow this? What happen to this mentality that Russians take care of each other? Where did that go? |
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gomer
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| If it were still Soviet times, would these pregnant women be begging in the Metro? I'm wondering if 'managed democracy' has had a positive or negative effect on such begging? |
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jo-jo-7
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| gomer wrote: | | If it were still Soviet times, would these pregnant women be begging in the Metro? I'm wondering if 'managed democracy' has had a positive or negative effect on such begging? |
Are you saying that if it was Soviet times these women would have help? |
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gomer
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| jo jo 7 wrote: | | gomer wrote: | | If it were still Soviet times, would these pregnant women be begging in the Metro? I'm wondering if 'managed democracy' has had a positive or negative effect on such begging? |
Are you saying that if it was Soviet times these women would have help? |
I don't know. I'm not familiar with past Soviet social programs. Hopefully a Russian who remembers will answer. |
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greg222
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Now that I think about it, I don't remember seeing any homeless people begging in Moscow. They used to hit me up for beer and cigarettes but I don't remember them actually begging. Without sounding too cynical, maybe you need a good angle to bring in the big begging dough.
I heard the mafia thing a lot as well. Thing is that I've heard that in several countries which makes me think that it's just a handy excuse not to give any money. |
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StephenB.
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| greg222 wrote: | | Those women are beggars. Usually the sign says the father is dead or there's some sad story there. Is it that strange? Begging must bring in decent money in Moscow. |
I wonder if they are gypsies? Beggers in NYC make a lot of money, however, I wouldn't want to be in their shoes. I love the signs that some people hold up in NYC..."Need Beer Money"...I always give some change to these people...because one: I like their honesty and 2.My grandfather was an acoholic and I know it's a disease and very hard to stop drinking especially if they have been doing it for over 50 years.. 
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StephenB.
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| overseas_expat wrote: | One of my co-workers died last year. He was 25 and the father of a 4 month old baby. His widow was 21.
Gratefully she had family to help take care of her. I suppose women without family are left to beg. There is no social safety net in Russia.
I give money to beggars all the time. And food and beer or whatever I have on me at the time. I often buy things on the street and in the Metro I don't want just because the sellers (always women) need the money.
The only people I never ever give money to are
Gypsies
And those black leather outfitted kids playing bad rock in the perehods. They are really annoying. |
That's great that you give money or food expat..I do the same if I have it on me.  |
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Daria
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| gomer wrote: | http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070910121950.syw0vp1n&show_article=1
Baby makin' time? |
Russia is mobilizing for war, IMHO. |
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gomer
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jo-jo-7
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| gomer wrote: | http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070926/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_russia_baby_1
They make 'em big in Russia. |
I do believe that is the biggest baby I have ever seen born. Wow! I bet the mother is not feeling too well. OUCH! |
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gomer
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| gomer wrote: | http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070926/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_russia_baby_1
They make 'em big in Russia. |
I noticed the story had a "Barnaul" reporting location. You don't suppose there was some alien hanky-panky going on, do you? |
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