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yorbcbud
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Well Ken everything is subjective...when it comes to opinions. You make statements but then provide no examples...so what is the purpose of carrying on a conversation when from your end there is no intellect to support a dialogue. The fact is...what you quoted are nothing more than blanket statements taken way out of context and distorted. And they contain no credible examples.
| Quote: | 1846-1848
The US annexes Texas, which Mexico claimed as a protectorate. Mexico declares war on the US. The US captures a large portion of Mexico, which ultimately becomes California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico and Utah. The US finally wins the war after capturing Mexico City. In doing so, they learn the important lesson of only taking on countries smaller than themselves. This victory also leads to the line about "the Halls of Montezuma" in the Marine Hymn. |
Mexico wasn't a country then...what is being discussed here is the Spanish American War...so lets not distort the facts with very vague and false statements. We were at war with Spain.
But this is just one of the examples where the quotes you provided are distorted.
| Quote: | 1950
The US starts the formation of NATO. This does two things for the Americans. First, they solidify their relationship with their allies, and hope that they never have to fight alone anymore (There are no countries bigger than all of the countries of NATO together.) Second, it gives them lots of places that they can send troops on "foreign service" duty, and thus give them pretty medals. The Americans thus become the only democracy where a private can have three rows of medals without ever firing at an enemy. |
humor me some more...this quotes states that the US was tired of fightinhg wars alone...and yet previously the writer states that in WWI we were letting the other allies (this being a key word) fight the war. Well in my 10+ years of military service I've never seen a private with 3 rows of war medals.
It's obvious this rhetoric that you posted are whimsical at best and very lacking of any real substance.
| Quote: | 1812-1814
With Britain busy at war with France, the US again decides to liberate Canada. The Americans begin by capturing the ship, the Lord Nelson, 13 days prior to declaring war. Canada repulses early American probes. At the Battle of Chrysler's Farm 4000 American invaders valiantly retreat under the "heavy and galling fire" of 40 Canadian militia. Detroit (and thus Michigan) is captured by a Canadian force of 30 men and 1 cannon, against an American force of 2500 men.
The Americans then reply by attacking (and being repulsed) at Queenston and Kingston. The Americans maintain a blockade at Kingston. This results in the British retreating from Michigan.
The next American attack succeeds in capturing and burning York (now
Toronto) and Fort George, but ultimately they retreat from the Niagara Peninsula. The British respond by burning Buffalo and Washington. During the battle of Washington, British and Canadian troops burn the president's residence. This is renamed the "White House", after it was painted to hide the smoke damage.
Britain finally beats the French, and start coming back in force to North America. The US agrees to cease hostilities. |
The problem with this statement...is that it is humorously false and out of context...
Oh and Guess what...Brittain lost and retreated and they never regained control of the USA. So let's not post false info.
Get serious bc...comical opinions do not accurately represent history. |
It won't let me post a bunch of links here, so I'll quote sources.
1.Mexico's independence was recognized by the Spanish viceroy on September 27, 1821 after a decade-long War of Independence
Wickipedia
2. Canada was a country in 1812. No matter who ruled it. I don't believe he claimed it was a sovereign nation, just that it was Canada.
And I believe the Brits won, and then decided to leave,
| Quote: | Having destroyed Washington's public buildings, including the White House and the Treasury, the British army next moved to capture Baltimore, a busy port and a key base for American privateers. The subsequent Battle of Baltimore began with a British landing at North Point, but withdrew when General Ross was killed at an American outpost. The British also attempted to attack Baltimore by sea on September 13 but were unable to reduce Fort McHenry, at the entrance to Baltimore Harbor.
The Battle of Fort McHenry was no battle at all. British guns had range on American cannon, and stood off out of U.S. range, bombarding the fort, which returned no fire. Their plan was to coordinate with a land force, but from that distance coordination proved impossible, so the British called off the attack and left.
All the lights were extinguished in Baltimore the night of the attack, and the fort was bombarded for 25 hours. The only light was given off by the exploding shells over Fort McHenry, which gave proof that the flag was still over the fort. The defense of the fort inspired the American lawyer Francis Scott Key to write a poem that would eventually supply the lyrics to "The Star-Spangled Banner". |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812#Invasions_of_Upper_and_Lower_Canada.2C_1812
You know James, it's too bad you aren't capable of having a discussion without having it end with you calling people names. 
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yorbcbud
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| Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 7:28 am Post subject: |
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So Ken...I hope you realize this and quit highjacking threads to promote Canada and your inferiority complex. After all you should be a proud Canuck |
So I guess that nobody is allowed to question what you say, or you'll call them names? If you post something and I question what you post, that's called dialog in the real world. Why do you have to get so angry, and start calling names. That's not what I'm doing. Inferiority complex? I'm not the angry guy calling names here. I am well aware that I don't know everything. The difference is, I don't pretend to, and then get angry, and call people stupid.
PS I'm a very proud Canadian, and I get prouder every day. But thanks for saying so.  |
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surfguy
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first off...didn't know the term canuck was demeaning...second yes we are having a dialog...little hard though when you do not know history...it's hard to have a discussion based on intellect with you. So your rebuttal is that the USA was fighting Canadians and there for we were at war with the nation of Canada....here let me school you once again
| Quote: | The name Canada has been in use since the earliest European settlement in Canada and originates from a First Nations word kanata for "settlement", "village", or "land". Today, Canada is pronounced /ˈkænədə/ in English and /kanada/ in French. In Inuktitut, one of the official languages of the territory of Nunavut, the First Nations word (pronounced /kanata/) is used, with the Inuktitut syllabics ᑲᓇᑕ.
The French colony of Canada, New France, was set up along the Saint Lawrence River and the northern shores of the Great Lakes. Later the area became two British colonies, called Upper Canada and Lower Canada until their union as the British Province of Canada in 1841. Upon Confederation in 1867, the name Canada was officially adopted for the new Dominion, which was commonly referred to as the Dominion of Canada until after World War II. |
No mention of Canada being it's own country or soveriegn nation prior to 1867...an that is well after 1812 which is the subject time period in my reference. So please BC let's portray history accurately...other wise we can go back prior to the US at the time when the Brits were victorious against the french with the American Colonies and aquired Canada for Brittain. Now then this thread has been hijacked by you like oh so many others have. Please stay on topic. If you would like to talk about Canada then started your own Canadian thread. As for this one it is about Russian air defenses that were sold to Syria...and gomer replied with a very interesting point and question. If you can entertain this discussion with some relevant information please do so, other wise take heed to the warning Greg sent you and not reply to any of my post or flame them either.
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yorbcbud
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| surfguy wrote: | first off...didn't know the term canuck was demeaning...second yes we are having a dialog...little hard though when you do not know history...it's hard to have a discussion based on intellect with you. So your rebuttal is that the USA was fighting Canadians and there for we were at war with the nation of Canada....here let me school you once again
| Quote: | The name Canada has been in use since the earliest European settlement in Canada and originates from a First Nations word kanata for "settlement", "village", or "land". Today, Canada is pronounced /ˈkænədə/ in English and /kanada/ in French. In Inuktitut, one of the official languages of the territory of Nunavut, the First Nations word (pronounced /kanata/) is used, with the Inuktitut syllabics ᑲᓇᑕ.
The French colony of Canada, New France, was set up along the Saint Lawrence River and the northern shores of the Great Lakes. Later the area became two British colonies, called Upper Canada and Lower Canada until their union as the British Province of Canada in 1841. Upon Confederation in 1867, the name Canada was officially adopted for the new Dominion, which was commonly referred to as the Dominion of Canada until after World War II. |
No mention of Canada being it's own country or soveriegn nation prior to 1867...an that is well after 1812 which is the subject time period in my reference. So please BC let's portray history accurately...other wise we can go back prior to the US at the time when the Brits were victorious against the french with the American Colonies and aquired Canada for Brittain. Now then this thread has been hijacked by you like oh so many others have. Please stay on topic. If you would like to talk about Canada then started your own Canadian thread. As for this one it is about Russian air defenses that were sold to Syria...and gomer replied with a very interesting point and question. If you can entertain this discussion with some relevant information please do so, other wise take heed to the warning Greg sent you and not reply to any of my post or flame them either.
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As I stated above the author never said anything about countries, or sovereign nations, just that you tried to take Canada, and got your butts kicked.
Gregg? Warning????? What are you talking about??? Gregg never told me not to reply to your posts. He did ask me not to aggravate you too much, but that doesn't seem to take much.
The reason I questioned the first post you made, is because you are posting stuff that makes it out that everyone is afraid of America. I simply rebutted with that quote from Paul, and you've really made no argument against what I posted, ie, Mexico, British running away, Canadians not existing. I mean, how can you fight Canadians, if Canada doesn't exist?
If you post what I feel are untruths, then I will continue to question you, that's how it works here. I'm sorry that it makes you angry, and you call me names, but, "sticks and stones", right?
You can call me stupid all you want. It doesn't make it true. For what it's worth, I don't think you're stupid, just angry.
And who said " Canuck" was demeanening? Not me. Ever heard of the Vancouver Canucks. We just don't use the word much in everyday conversation. |
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yorbcbud
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| Quote: | | called Upper Canada and Lower Canada until their union as the British Province of Canada in 1841. [/b] |
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I think these would be great places to look, if you wanted to find Canadians, in `1812. |
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surfguy
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| Exactly BC so where was the name calling...I said canuk that's it. Also It's obvious you cannot engage in rational terms. Perhaps it would have been better if you would have addressed the topic at hand rather than to promote how great Canada is. I notice as I am sure so many others have that you continually try to trash America. As for being angry I certainly am not that...but I do wish to have some good discussions...unfotunately when ever you participate it seems as though the discussions always get all fogged or blanketed with smoke...and your thoughts seem to be so distorted, confused and lacking. If you think that your recent responses were in anyway persuasive or on point then you are surely dillusional and I suggest you put the bong away. Nations go to war...and at the time of 1812 we were at war with Brittain not Canada...Canada may have been a place and there may have been a few people who called themselves Canadians but there was no Canada as a Nation or a Country. That's a fact BC and there is no disputing it. All you are doing is trying to flame. Trying to Mock America and making a fool of Canada. I have not demeaned Canada...I've only stated facts in this thread |
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surfguy
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| yorbcbud wrote: | | surfguy wrote: |
| Quote: | | called Upper Canada and Lower Canada until their union as the British Province of Canada in 1841. [/b] |
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I think these would be great places to look, if you wanted to find Canadians, in `1812. |
BC you are all over the map now...is the subject/topic here Russian Air Defenses...quotes by Paul Homes, the war of 1812, Mocking America, history...or where Canadians are located in 1812. Canada was not it's on nation in 1812...at that time Canada was part of Brittain subject to the Brittish Crown. Stop wishing you (BCBUD) could be like America/Americans...you never will be! |
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surfguy
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Ok BC...you are obviously smoking out again as you did say you tend to do so this time of year. OK here is what Gregg sent me and I am going to save him the trouble of having to delet another thread that you flame...
| Quote: | Surfguy, please, no more arguments with Yorbcbud. That means no baiting him and if he baits you just ignore him. There's only so many posts I'll delete before I decide it's easier just to ban the user.
I've sent the same message to Yorbcbud.
Thanks
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I suggest you do the same... |
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surfguy
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Ok to get back on topic...here is some good reading...interesting!
http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=1301
| Quote: | | The new Pantsyr missiles therefore leave Syrian and Iranian airspace vulnerable to hostile intrusion. |
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yorbcbud
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| surfguy wrote: | Ok BC...you are obviously smoking out again as you did say you tend to do so this time of year. OK here is what Gregg sent me and I am going to save him the trouble of having to delet another thread that you flame...
| Quote: | Surfguy, please, no more arguments with Yorbcbud. That means no baiting him and if he baits you just ignore him. There's only so many posts I'll delete before I decide it's easier just to ban the user.
I've sent the same message to Yorbcbud.
Thanks
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I suggest you do the same... |
That's what I said, James.
| Quote: | | Gregg? Warning????? What are you talking about??? Gregg never told me not to reply to your posts. He did ask me not to aggravate you too much, |
It's okay, James, I proved the points that I made, so I'm cool. You can carry on till next time. This is a dead thread anyway.
Smoking pot doesn't make people stupid James. I'll leave you alone before you get mean again. Peace, brother.  |
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yorbcbud
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Just for a last on topic tidbit.
| Quote: | September 19, 2007 :: Analysis
The New York Sun published an opinion piece by Congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen of Florida on Syria on September 19. Congresswoman Ros-Lehtinen argues that only tougher economic sanctions, particularly ones targeting Syria's energy industry, are the only way to change its destructive behavior in the region. Syria is "a stalwart supporter for terrorist organizations and activities throughout the region," allowing foreign jihadists to enter Iraq and serving as a base of operations for Hezbollah and Hamas. Additionally, "Syria has developed ballistic missiles and has reportedly even conducted research and development on biological weapons. Syria has one of the largest ballistic missile inventories in the Middle East, comprised of several hundred short-range ballistic missiles and cruise missiles." Syria's pursuit of more destructive weaponry aligned it with Iran, with whom it declared in a mutual self-defense pact in 2005. |
Do you really think Syria is scared of anyone, with the amount of firepower they have? Plus having human bombs is helpful. They are very hard to stop. I think Israel will get a big surprise, even more than when they lost in Lebanon. Depends on who you talk to, I guess.
| Quote: | Syria accuses Israel of bombing its territory
By Khaled Yacoub OweisThu Sep 6, 3:16 PM ET
Syria accused Israel of bombing its territory on Thursday and said it could respond to the Jewish state's "aggression and treachery."
Israel declined to comment on the charge by Syria, which said no casualties or damage were caused. The Syrian accusation was partly responsible for triggering a rise in world oil prices of more than $1.40 a barrel.
"It appears that the Israeli planes were on a reconnaissance mission when they got caught by Syrian defenses and were forced to drop their bombs and extra fuel tanks," said a Western diplomat in Syria's capital Damascus. He declined to be named.
After months in which talk of reviving long-stalled peace negotiations between neighboring Israel and Syria has been mixed with speculation on both sides that the other was preparing a surprise attack, Syrian officials hit out.
"This shows that Israel cannot give up aggression and treachery," Syrian Information Minister Mohsen Bilal told Al Jazeera television.
Another Syrian official said: "They dropped bombs on an empty area while our air defenses were firing heavily at them." The official news agency SANA said Syria "reserves the right to respond according to what it sees fit."
The Israeli military spokesman's office said in a statement: "It is not our custom to respond to these kinds of reports."
The office has typically commented on such charges, but a security source said the government had imposed a news blackout on the issue. A spokeswoman for Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said there would be no comment beyond the military statement.
In Washington, the White House declined to comment.
Russia urged Israel to respect international law.
"The reports have caused extreme concern in Moscow," the Russian foreign ministry said in a statement. "Particularly troubling is that this is the Middle East, a region already heavy with serious conflicts and tension."
Iran again criticized its foe Israel.
"The aims of that ... provocative move by the Zionist regime was to shift its domestic crisis into areas other than Palestine, spreading insecurity in the region and covering up its failure in the 33-day war against Lebanon," said Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad Ali Hosseini.
Iran's ambassador to Damascus had contacted Syrian security officials and said that "Iran is ready to provide every kind of assistance to Syria," the official IRNA news agency reported.
RECONNAISSANCE FLIGHTS
It is more than a year since Syrian guns opened fire on Israeli aircraft and Israeli jets last struck in 2003 across a border that remains tense but largely quiet 34 years after the last war between the two neighbors ended in an edgy ceasefire.
Military analysts said Israel has conducted reconnaissance flights over Syria to probe its defenses.
Witnesses said several planes crossed deep into Syrian territory and flew over the oil centre of Deir al Zor on the Euphrates river.
Residents in the Tal al-Abiad area on Syria's border with Turkey said they spotted several fuel tanks.
Turkish and Israeli officials denied a report from an Israeli military source that the Israeli air force had trained in Turkey as recently as this week. The last exercises concluded last month, officials in Ankara said.
Tensions between Israel and Syria have been high in the past few months.
Some Israeli intelligence officials have suggested Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's government might be ready to try to take by force parts of the Golan Heights, which Israel captured in the war of 1967 and held on to in fighting in 1973.
Syrian officials have said Syria was seeking peaceful means to liberate the territory, although some have also suggested force remained an option if diplomacy failed.
Some Israeli military officials have expressed alarm at what they say are reinforcements of Syrian posts and arms purchases.
But Olmert, who launched his forces against Syrian-allied Hezbollah guerrillas in Lebanon a year ago, has been at pains to say he has no hostile intentions toward Damascus.
He has also said he would like to reopen peace negotiations that have been stalled for seven years. Syrian officials too have said they would like peace. But there has been little sign of any concrete steps towards rapprochement. |
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gomer
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| Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 1:30 pm Post subject: Re: Syria's Russian made Air Defenses-useless |
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| surfguy wrote: | | Quote: | | Syria has said its air defenses forced Israeli aircraft to flee and that their bombs caused no damage. Western diplomats have said Israeli jets may have simply been testing Syrian air defenses after Damascus bought new weaponry from Russia. |
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070923/ts_nm/israel_syria_report_dc
Gee I wonder why the Russian Air Defenses didn't work? |
As unlikely as it may seem, perhaps the Syrians didn't turn on their air defense systems on purpose, to prevent the Israelis from knowing the full extent of its capabilities. Maybe the Syrians are keeping their powder dry for the big show. |
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surfguy
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| Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 9:46 pm Post subject: Re: Syria's Russian made Air Defenses-useless |
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| gomer wrote: | | surfguy wrote: | | Quote: | | Syria has said its air defenses forced Israeli aircraft to flee and that their bombs caused no damage. Western diplomats have said Israeli jets may have simply been testing Syrian air defenses after Damascus bought new weaponry from Russia. |
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070923/ts_nm/israel_syria_report_dc
Gee I wonder why the Russian Air Defenses didn't work? |
As unlikely as it may seem, perhaps the Syrians didn't turn on their air defense systems on purpose, to prevent the Israelis from knowing the full extent of its capabilities. Maybe the Syrians are keeping their powder dry for the big show. |
Could be gomer...but I doubt it? However that said...yes who knows and it is all interesting as to what is going on. |
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gomer
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surfguy
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| gomer wrote: | http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3456456,00.html
Interesting article but is it true or disinformation? Only the Military knows for sure. |
Good read and Iran is very worried |
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