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Jorge Lounge Lizard Joined: 10 Aug 2007 Posts: 162	Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:10 am    Post subject: I do not see how communism really benefited Russians, a lot of Russians had access to education, but how many Russians are mentally any different from their ancestors who lived during the Tsar period? I see a bunch of followers who do not rise up against oppression the same as their ancestors didnt. A hand full of people were involved in killing off the Tsar and his family, and those individuals did not dramatically improve life for the every day person. Russians want and love oppression and until they stop loving it, everything will remain the same.
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surfguy Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979	Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:04 am    Post subject: Jorge there is a lot of truth to what you write...IMHO
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Rimski Frequent Guest Joined: 12 Sep 2007 Posts: 58	Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:23 pm    Post subject: surfguy wrote: Personally I think Putin is far smarter than any of the West's leaders. I do agree. surfguy wrote: But Stalin...he was a killer and I think he enjoyed it! Stalin? a killer? Hom many died in gulags? About 700 000 (according to russian sources) in 30 years. Certainly much less, cause Khrouchev administration could exaggerated the number to justify the reforms (destalinzation). How many died in Irak since the US occupation? About 650 000 (according to american sources) in only... 4 years!!! and without gulags! I think that Bush, the champion of democracy, is a better killer than Stalin. He could teach him! Last edited by Rimski on Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:15 pm; edited 6 times in total
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jo-jo-7 Just Starting Joined: 16 Mar 2010 Posts: 6	Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 4:10 pm    Post subject: Rimski wrote: surfguy wrote: Personally I think Putin is far smarter than any of the West's leaders. I do agree. surfguy wrote: But Stalin...he was a killer and I think he enjoyed it! Staline? a killer? Hom many died in goulags? About 700 000 (according to russian sources) in 30 years. Certainly much less, cause Khrouchev administration could exaggerated the number to justify the reforms (destalinzation). How many died in Irak since the US occupation? About 700 000 (according to american sources) in... 4 years!!! and without goulags! I think that G. W. Bush is a better killer than Staline. He could teach him! Haven't you guys realised that all these leaders, presidents or politicians are all corrupt? C'mon, have you ever heard of a honest one? Somebody somewhere is always going to be knocked off. That is politics. We are forced to look the other way when our beloved leaders and presidents (during and after elections) make big mistakes. It is like Hollywood, you won't get anywhere if you don't lay and hobb knob on the casting couch, except in politics it is a silencer and a semi-automatic. As long as we are able to eat and sleep, steal from the government we don't care who is in office as long as the leaders to keep us in simple basics of living. I am half tired this morning so if I don't make sense please forgive me... Just my two cents..
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surfguy Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979	Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:37 pm    Post subject: Rimski...your numbers are so off...please site your sources Ok I found an article that put the death toll at 655,000 and in the article it states: Quote: Of the violent deaths that occurred after the invasion, 31 percent were caused by coalition forces or airstrikes, the respondents said So majority of deaths have occured due to the opposing forces. Let keep things in perpective. Here is the article I found http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/10/AR2006101001442.html
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surfguy Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979	Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:03 pm    Post subject: With regards to Stalin...shall we include the numbers of opposing military forces whom were killed under his leadership...such as germans. This would be more appropriate to the previous debate. Ok we were talking about citizens (civilian, etc) whom stalin had killed. Some estimate it is far greater than 20 million...check this source out http://freedomspeace.blogspot.com/2005/04/how-many-did-stalin-really-murder.html Quote: the Communist regime, 1917-1987, murdered about 62,000,000 people, around 55,000,000 of them citizens It's a harsh statement...and if true-HORRIBLE!...no other western country has done this to it's own people.
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Jorge Lounge Lizard Joined: 10 Aug 2007 Posts: 162	Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:19 am    Post subject: Rimski stop acting like Stalin was your father.
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bswaminathan Lounge Lizard Joined: 09 Oct 2007 Posts: 164	Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:59 am    Post subject: Quote: That is politics. We are forced to look the other way when our beloved leaders and presidents (during and after elections) make big mistakes. Thats right. 1990 its GWH Bush, then came his son GW Bush from 2003 onwards in IRAQ, then now comes the IRAN and it goes.. For IRAQ it took 4 years for 700,000. Might be in IRAN it might take just 1year for the same number. then comes the election where the opponent displays the statistics pompously supported by opinion poll and everybody elects him and the residues of the last leader forgotten. This is how politics is running and thats how people are surviving. We have to accept it even though it is difficult to... Every time a new one is elected with a optimistic view that he will do good and who knows what novel method he follows....
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Rimski Frequent Guest Joined: 12 Sep 2007 Posts: 58	Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:08 pm    Post subject: surfguy wrote: So majority of deaths have occured due to the opposing forces. Let keep things in perpective. The deaths are due to a civil war started after the US invasion in 2003. An invasion decided by the US. The States are responsable of that mess. Furthermore they lied about weapon of mass destruction and they had no UN mandate. They've acted like "outlaws". The US act like the planet is their own property. But this is an another subject. surfguy wrote: With regards to Stalin...shall we include the numbers of opposing military forces whom were killed under his leadership...such as germans. Oh! He was so wrong when killing german soldiers during the WWII. What a monster ! surfguy wrote: the Communist regime, 1917-1987, murdered about 62,000,000 people, around 55,000,000 of them citizens No, no. You're completely wrong. The Communist regime murdered all the peoples of the former Soviet Union, then they committed a collective suicide of the army and a collective suicide of the party . And the russians, ukrainian, ouzebeks etc, of today were imported from March after 1989. The proof that life exists upon March! Do you know Henry Kissinger? From 69 to 77 he was a member of the US administration that was involved in the Vietnam war. 2 millions deaths mostly civilians. Kissinger is a murderer and a Nobel Prize... of peace! http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1973/kissinger-bio.html surfguy wrote: It's a harsh statement...and if true-HORRIBLE!...no other western country has done this to it's own people. No, the West do better than that. They kill people from other nations and they give the Nobel Prize to the murderers. Last edited by Rimski on Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:20 pm; edited 7 times in total
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bswaminathan Lounge Lizard Joined: 09 Oct 2007 Posts: 164	Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 4:09 pm    Post subject: Kissinger wrote lot of apology letters than any official letters About kissinger follow this link... h**p://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4640773.stm h**p://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CEEDF133FF930A25752C1A964958260 Quote: Furthermore they lied about weapon of massive destruction and they had no mandate of the UN. No.. No.. US never lied towards Weapons of Mass destruction, it asked for oil, saddam says NO, hence he rephrased it as 'war on peace', he will preach about peace nicely but soledom he practiced it in his life. Its a 'war on oil', if he gets oil he will be elected again, now this time his maximum term in office is completed. hence this time he will shift towards IRAN. Quote: Kissinger is a murderer and a Nobel Prize... of peace! when US awarded gorbachev the same, as he faithfully worked for Reagen and others to capsize USSR. does kissinger not worth for this. all are tool. Quote: they had no mandate of the UN why do they need mandate, ofcourse the head quarters is in US, if koffi annan doesn't obey then UN will be doomed in the name 'war on civil dis obedience' every speech from UN mates are drafted not by them. If you didn't obey you will face a treatment similar to abughraib prison h**p://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=2444 Quote: US act like the planet is their own property. Not the planet, galaxy(universe)
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surfguy Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979	Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:48 pm    Post subject: Ha...interesting perspectives people! The fact is...no US president including Bush has killed as many of thier own citizens as that which Stalin Did...and that is a fact!!!! No debate what so ever. Ok the deal in Iraq is about oil! No doubt about it. Bush is gone in a year...hope you all like Hillary because I giarantee you she will be continuing the same path as Bush...or anyone else who is elected. Bush is out...so tell us...who would you want to see as the President of the USA...because International Agendas have been the same for all US presidents. And Kosovo was a far greater non based reason for action than Iraq. And that was Clinton not Bush. We...the UN had no reason to go into there. Also Iraq war has been about Iran from Day one. And good...because the middle East needs to get stabilized. Might I ad...so many of the issues Russia deals with are the same as what the USA is dealing with...Chechnya!!! Al Queda...comprised a great deal by chechnyans. Al Queda is where....Iraq! Well it's ok to disagree with the war...if you want it to end...then do something about it! It's one thing to sit in front of your computer and bitch, whine, and complain, but really...get off your asses and go and do something about it!
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surfguy Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979	Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:07 pm    Post subject: Oh and Rimski...you completely missed my point! And btw it is no more wrong to kill german soldiers than it is to kill radical muslim extremest here watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wPglHZQf-0
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RusskiCanadian23 Lounge Wizard Joined: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 1104 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada/Ванкувер, Британская Колумбия, Канада	Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:45 am    Post subject: Quote: when US awarded gorbachev the same, as he faithfully worked for Reagen and others to capsize USSR. THANK YOU!!! This is what I've been saying for months now! That bastard, that son of a bitch doesn't deserve a Nobel Prize, he deserves a bullet in the back of the head! Now as for "radical Islam". I agree with you, Surfguy, that it is a threat to today's world, but here is a little food for thought: when the USSR was fighting it's Afghan War against the Taliban/Mujahideen, which side was the US on? And don't lie to me, my own uncle was in that war, he saw a dukh (Russian/Soviet Army jargon for "Taliban fighter") with an M-16... What will you say to that? I know for a fact the US gave the Taliban weapons, bombs, money, food, and medicine! That is the truth Surfguy, your country was helping those same terrorists before.
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bswaminathan Lounge Lizard Joined: 09 Oct 2007 Posts: 164	Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:12 am    Post subject: Taliban, Mujahideen are treated well by US itself to de stabilise some of the regions of USSR. Osama bin laden is directly sent by US itself. I bet bush will never catch him. Bush had a secret link with laden. Bin laden is famous in afghan when he converted a bulldozer to a armour tank. And part by part reagen and GW Bush dis integrated and finally by satan Gorbachev as a kill button. I hope hillary will do good. The best punishment for gorbachev is, hang him in front of Moscow Head quarters and make it LIVE for whole world and telecast it all over wide languages. And the punishment is to be given by a soviet soldier not by one who joined after 1991.
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surfguy Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979	Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:37 am    Post subject: Ok yes the USA funded the Taliban and Bin Laden...but understand too...Afghanistan is about oil and startegic positionioning for the USA and we used the Afghan war to break the USSR. Now I as a soldier can respect the USSR and thier efforts and objectives. Until the USA aided the mujahadeen...USSR was beating the piss out of the Afghans. And no the USSR was not wrong to go into Afghanistan. And no the USA is not wrong to go into Afghanistan. Nor are we wrong to go into Iraq. Reagan and Gorbachev did not work to destroy the USSR. Gorbachev is a socialist and identifies more with Gore...and Clintons...and our Democratic party here in the USA. Also I trekked all over Afghanistan...walked through mine fields...saw the destruction from years of war. I saw numerous Soviet tanks that had been killed. I saw the Soviet barraks that were in Kabul. I met many a afghan males who fought the Rus and I shared tea and stories with them. Many were missing limbs. Afghanistan is a very cool place with proud people whom have honor...but Iraq is full of greedy people who lack integrity. I am fascinated by the Soviet Afghan War and have searched quite a bit on it. Also Bin Laden is burried in a cave in Afghanistan...he was killed long ago. Most missions conducted out of Afghanistan today are more than likely reconnosaince ones conducted against China and Russia. Go to Afghanistan and ask the people why the US is there and awhy the Soviets were there...most will tell you because of the pipeline for oil that is to be built. All all is about Oil and to not think so is to be very naive and missinformed.
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