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Mogsfan · WayToRussified Joined: 03 Nov 2004 Posts: 490

The unfortunate thing is that too many people dismiss the information. You guys aren't helping much. Dr. Fauste's skeptism is typical and understandable. Mark, why don't you just save the articles to a diskette or a drive and if anyone wants to read it, you can send it to them. You know very few people here want to read pages and pages of an article no matter who it's from. That way if the link disappears, you still have it. I would post full articles but I don't want to overload the forum and threads. That's why I post links. Most links which disappear will get replaced or substantiated with another similar link anyway. There's no shortage of sites of NWO stuff. One has to weed through certain ones though as some are quite sensational. But, overall, the idea is relevant and informative.

Dr. Fauste, you don't have an open mind regarding this stuff. I am not talking about Mark's or "Alexis'' posts but the general idea behind the NWO theories. I have even watched mainstream TV shows (about Bush etc.) that would allow a connection to some NWO information. That just shows that there is indeed something accurate behind some of the NWO stuff. Just do a google search on NWO and notice the pattern and links between articles. Things make sense when you apply the things that make sense and seem believable. A lot might be overkill or overblown but when you get down to it, it sure seems believable. How can you doubt a bunch of politicians and corporate elites being selfish and in for themselves? Or do you think everyone is a goodie-goodie?

Alexeis Zemanova · Frequent Guest Joined: 15 Dec 2004 Posts: 61

scepticism on such matters is a result of being uniformed.

we are weaned from school to filter out/dismiss subject matter that we do not know much about.

that is part of NWO control as the more focused you are on what you are already interested in, the less likely you are to discover something new.

if you think the world is a random place run by random good people then fine..

i'm sure when president bush says he's on a 'crusade' for a 'new world order'(contact me i will send you the link to the film)
to eradicate terrorism around the globe, but then sits back and watches arab militia terrorists kill 10,000 sudanese a week-its because he guinuinely want people around the world not to suffer at the hands of these guys..

dont believe in it, but please wake up from your la-la land of nod at least!!

of course, yes, we are all shouting 'conspiracy' because the world is such a nicely run place where people like donald rumsfeld sell chemical weapons to saddam(email me and i will send you the link of rumsfeld embracing saddam not so many years ago) and then go in to destroy lives in order to find those weapons, which, incidentally werent there..

we shout 'conspiracy' because we see that it is good that the top richest 4% of this world own 98% of the world's wealth...

you must believe what you must believe.

if you believe in good, then answer me this, why is it there is currently not one country in the world who presently for whatever reason, or perhaps inadvertently through a neighbour, feels safe or happy at present??

ITS BECAUSE OF ALL THE EXCELLENT PEOPLE AROUND I GUESS!

these matters are obviously too overwhelming for you,

try knitting

Dr Fauste · Site Admin Joined: 23 Nov 2004 Posts: 654

Mogs you have been waiting for this shit for a LONG time. It is excuse.
Debunk this crap, I am non Chalemaign blood can join the Masons and have to a Masons' function.
2) Many of richest in the World cannot be from this blood group like Arab royality, Sultan of Brunei and such
3) Buffet and Gates history was track in how they made money and it was not damn secret society that gave it to them
4)Mark if you are part of te blood line, where is your money?

It is crap. Is their conspiracy ? Maybe, but if anything it is the old boys club helping each other. Rest is crap. Pure Crap based wrong facts based on govno.

Myself, I am going to be multimillionare by age 50 and my children will succeed even better. I am NOT giving them this bullshit excuse that they cannot succeed to be anything they want to be life from some dumbass conspiracy theory based on no facts
TRy this Average lifespan was 50 years for example and each person had 7 children that survived So the survivor based on Charlemaign is 128 million direct descendants. That is lot of people.

Mogsfan · WayToRussified Joined: 03 Nov 2004 Posts: 490

AliceFromMoscow · WayToRussified Joined: 10 Jul 2004 Posts: 411

Alexeis Zemanova · Frequent Guest Joined: 15 Dec 2004 Posts: 61

Dr

leave Mark alone you know nothing

Your claim of being able to 'join' the Mason's appears highly dubious at best. reason being:

a) you need money and or successful business/es

b) you must go through initiation through the variety of clubs and societies at the lower levels before you are sworn in. nobody of un-priveleged blood just strolls diretly on in there.

you are right in that entry into the Mason's is not exclusive to a bloodline.. but nobody suggested otherwise..

read up a bit more on William Henry Gates the Third(his birth given title) before you start spouting out to us about modern day entrepeneurs.. then i might agree with you..

yes there are many descendants of Charlemagne but only a handful who are aware/care of it. The fact that Mark knows he's descended from King John is more an issue of interest rather than him trying to make out he rules Europe/the world. if being related to Charlemagnes' guaranteed you wealth, then I think JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY WOULD BE CLAIMING DESCENDANCY!!

i did already say the Charlemagne's were effectively pawns to the NWO agenda, i could write for hours literally off the top of my head about the Charlemagne connections throughout the world, but i will spare you, rest assured, though, they are everywhere.

I also said that the Charlemagne Bloodline is the Jordanian Bloodline.

study a bit about the Jordanian bloodline and you will see it is one and the same as, you guessed it; THE HOUSE OF SAUD(the Saudi Royal Family dont you know?(which is why some say US Presidents treat them so well-USA rely on a lot of countries for a lot of things and have their own plentiful supply of oil but always looking suspiciously friendly with the Saudi's; well they do say that blood is thicker than water))

and the SULTAN OF BRUNEI is related to, yes... THE SAUDI ROYAL FAMILY(look it up-hes practically 100% Arab)

however Dr your ambition is admirable and I for one hope you do succeed in getting rich.
of course it is possible. once again it just depends at what point in the 'program' you are.(or think you are)

but please, please.. your mathematical 'guess'-timations were so crass i literally shuddered with embarrassment. no mention of premature mortality or things such as The Black Death Plague which wiped out 60% of Europe..

markhagelin · Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 12:07 am Post subject:

Fausty

I was skeptical too. I bought some of the books and read them. I am no expert on the New World Order, but I was convinced by what I read.

I went back to some of the original material cited, especially the UN stuff.

I read the Supreme Court "Legal Tender Cases" on currency [vs money]

I didn't want to believe that some people were so evil to do something like this.

I traced the teachings of the Illuminati through the Masons and Shriners [only 33 degree Masons or above can/do know] and through the League of the Just and Communist League. A parallel plan for world domination one in Europe, the other in America was adopted.

The Illuminati teachings through Marxism/socialism were accepted by Liberal academics in the time period known as the Progressive movement in the United States.. The time when America passed the Sherman Anti-Trust Act and unions were just starting to gain strength in America.

I have always been interested in history and it put a "new spin" on things. I have lloked for an alternative explanation to explain what I have seen in the past 25-30 years.

Skepticism is good. It keeps people honest and makes them not-vulnerable to every "snake-oil" salesmen coming by.

It is hard for me to put into words things which I hace known about for 10 years or more. I am to the point where I will speak to warn others.

FYI the United States dollar is not backed by gold or silver but is defined in terms of gold and silver so many grains of .999 pure or .900 standard in "the Act to Establish a Mint" in 1792. The double eagle, the eagle, the half eagle, the quarter eagle, the dollar.

"Congress shall coin money and regulate the value thereof." "No state shall make anything but gold or silver a legal tender for the payment of debt."

When the Republic of United States when bankrupt in 1933, the life, labor and property of the people was pledged as a surety for the National debt. Out of this we have corporations which act as states and the United States government doing business as a corporation.

The common law. the law of custom, was replaced by statuatory law. By using private bank notes for money, the common law is replaced by admiralty law [private bank notes fall under lex mercatoria, the law merchant ,which became a part of admiralty law.]

Despite all the theories on JFK's assasination. It was the banks. He was going to return America back to gold and silver which would have been a major loss to them.

Back around 1953 a Constitutional amendment was proposed to keep treaties from becoming internal law within the US. Missouri v Holland and othe Supreme Court cases ruled that treaties superceed portions of the Constitution such as the 10th Amend. Treaties have equal standing, and as such can/have become internal law within the US.

As Mogfan acknowledged, it is a complicated issue. I have researched it through history/legal cases.

Keep your skepticism. But start doing some research too.

Mark

AliceFromMoscow · WayToRussified Joined: 10 Jul 2004 Posts: 411

markhagelin · Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 1:01 am Post subject:

Hey Alexeis

Alice is a real person. And I won'r disclose her real first name unless she says its okay.

And I have had contact wih Fausty too. Although by a different name. He is not using multiple aliases even though he has a second one.

I don't think anyone here, with one nameless exception, has any agenda here.

In fact I have found them very helpful.

BTW my last name Hagelin appears that it was originally ha Gaelin which is masc plural for the "sons of the Gaeli". The Gaeli people were of the Tribe of Dan. I also have roots into the Tribe of Judah.

Geneology/history are of special interest to me. That's how I remembered the Charlemagne descent thing.

Actually it is probably older than Charlemagne going back to the "Greater and Lesser Keys of Solomon" which were supposed to have the seals for controlling the angels/demons. There was a book allegedly given to Adam, "The Book of Raziel" which carried down to Enoch and then to Noah. This may be the same book but split into 2.

It is alleged to contain information on how to call apon angels and make them appear before men and answer all questions.

If anyone could actually find the book, if it exists, they could have unlimited power espeically if it has the Holy One's name.

The whole NWO thing if put in the proper religious perspective, is Satan's last stand before he is destroyed.

It is probably a coincidence that many are descended from Charlemagne. Unless Charlemagne made a deal with the Devil

[Sounds like a Faustian type of situation, selling one soul to Satan. Sorry couldn't resist the tempatation. I could use Flip Wilson's words, "The Devil made me do it. Laughing

]

Mark

Alexeis Zemanova · Frequent Guest Joined: 15 Dec 2004 Posts: 61

Alice,

If you feel fine with the fact that thats not you in the photo, then great..

feeling happy with yourself is kind of like singing to a rock-its best kept to yourself.

TWICE IN MY POSTINGS NOW I HAVE INSISTED I"M NOT TRYING TO PROVE ANYTHING TO ANYONE!!(now three)

you did ask, you know...

Alexeis Zemanova · Frequent Guest Joined: 15 Dec 2004 Posts: 61

Hey Mark,

I certainly dont doubt that they are 'real' persons.
I just dont think that at this level of communication you can call anything 'real'.

keep up the history; you know most people think its all wars and bad stuff, but some of the honourable things that people used to do....without history we would only know ourselves the way we are now. which would be a shame because we are fucking arseholes.

Most interesting about your backround though. You know I know lots of guys who just like you have links in those tribes. Tell me more...

With regards to the powers yielded by certain ancient Hebrew/Aramaic writings, you are absolutely 1000% right.

these writing operate on the vibrational level that i talk about, either when spoken or when scanned from right to left by the eyes.

The Holy One's name is YHWH. It is most of us who are unable to harness it, because we are all waiting for the 'miracle'.

Satan has always known that he will eventually lose. The outcome from start to finish was what he entered.
'Short-term pleasure' is probably the closest way of describing what his agenda is. 'Enjoying separateness' is perhaps another. This can also can be proven by the laws of the universe at the sub-atomic level.

The agenda is out there, it resonates at one of the highest levels. when you think close to the truth; you will KNOW you are 'tuning in'. It takes a lot of courage, though..

I think many people are descended from Charlemagne simply because you were more likely to survive if you were basically!(in the least un-Darwinian way!)

Laughing

Alexeis Zemanova · Frequent Guest Joined: 15 Dec 2004 Posts: 61

Hi Alice

I just re-read my last post to you

I still doubt thats you in the photo and I think the identity of just about everyone here is highly dubious, but nevertheless I wanted you to know that if you are who you say you are then I am sorry.

Truth is I probably liked the look of you and assumed you were lying.

If you are then none of the above applies
SO GET LOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Alexeis Zemanova · Frequent Guest Joined: 15 Dec 2004 Posts: 61

ultimately after all is said and done; we tend to focus on what we want to focus on.

furthermore,

we tend to believe what we see..

what we see is what our brain believes..(visual image once passed though the retina becomes flipped upside-down, forms are recognized on the basis of the relationships they have with forms you have seen in the past-the brain 'feels' and 'thinks out' the image. )

what our brain believes is what we want to see..

and so on...

Merry Christmas Everyone!!!

Very Happy

joera · Frequent Guest Joined: 17 Dec 2004 Posts: 26

Mogsfan · WayToRussified Joined: 03 Nov 2004 Posts: 490

http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/Articles/Russia_vs_New_World_Order.html

http://aoreport.com/russia-vs-nwo.htm

http://www.prisonplanet.com/061103formationnwo.html

http://www.prisonplanet.com/multimedia_assassination_of_russia.html

http://www.cdi.org/russia/240-12.cfm

http://www.future-of-russia.org/share/displayMessage.cfm?messageID=392

http://www.future-of-russia.org/issues/rule_of_law.cfm

Those are just some NWO articles discussing Russia (and their role). I would say there are some differences of opinion but there are some distinct similarities. At any rate, there is cause for concern and Russians, imho, should inform themselves and be aware of the situation. To go about their daily life as before and shrug off the info or potential info as sensational and unimportant would be unwise, imho.