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StephenB.
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| surfguy wrote: | | Well big changes in the next 3-3 years...Iran will fall. Iraq will stabilize, Oil Prices will drop, Eastern European countries...Bulgaria, Ukraine, Georgia, Romania...etc etcwill all come into the fold of Europe/Nato....times will be posperous there, The stock market will will stabilize, Real Estate will be up on the rise again..but more stable. The dollar will rise...and there will be a man in the US presidency. Russia's wealth will also start to spread outside of Moscow...and things will improve there as well. And the world will be at a peace never seen before. And as I saw when I was in Afghanistan...there will be golf courses in the valleys there! |
Do you think that Guilani will win next year? If so, what do you think would be his focus on foreign policy? |
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surfguy
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| StephenB. wrote: | | surfguy wrote: | | Well big changes in the next 3-3 years...Iran will fall. Iraq will stabilize, Oil Prices will drop, Eastern European countries...Bulgaria, Ukraine, Georgia, Romania...etc etcwill all come into the fold of Europe/Nato....times will be posperous there, The stock market will will stabilize, Real Estate will be up on the rise again..but more stable. The dollar will rise...and there will be a man in the US presidency. Russia's wealth will also start to spread outside of Moscow...and things will improve there as well. And the world will be at a peace never seen before. And as I saw when I was in Afghanistan...there will be golf courses in the valleys there! |
Do you think that Guilani will win next year? If so, what do you think would be his focus on foreign policy? |
Yes I think he will win...and really I do not care for any of the candidates. But the Dems really are lacking. I think Giuliani will carry out the same foriegn Policy as Bush...Oil and Banking control the world! 4 year or even 8 year term presidents cannot change this. But the time has come for Both the Clintons and the Bush's to be forever barred from being in office. Iraq was always about Iran...once they both come under control...the Middle East will stabilize and so will oil. Then Russia will have to come to terms with thier domestic issues...because oil will no longer keep the few in power there. And corruption will have to come to terms with laws. Once all this happens...then borders will become more open...and tourism, trade, commerce...all should run more freely. I think this has always been the over all objective of the past 60 years...it's just the struggle has always been who would control it. Well in the end...it will be Banking and Oil...Internationalist...and Our US presidents...will all make sure that the USA is at the Helm...with that of Europe. Which is what the G-8 is about...except it will become an even smaller group...more like the G-5 or so. |
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StephenB.
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| I agree with you on Guiliani, plus he has many years in politics and knows at least how to run an international city like New York City. He's a moderate conservative which is better than radical conservative(far to the right). He's open minded on a lot of social issues and he's hard on criminals which we need especially in large cities in America. |
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surfguy
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| Well Giuliani is very moderate...not really a conservative...but Socialist Hillary is such a fraud and a lie...that no way do I want her in office. I am pro choice...and believe in Domestic partnerships, I am against gun control. Helath care should remain privatized, and I think re should get rid of of so many taxes and create a flat tax...especially rid of the death tax. I believe in controlling our borders. TSA at our airports is a huge sham. Domestic issues will always be there and will always waste much of our resources. Less federal government and more local government. I do not think religon should suffer at the expense of other or no religon. I think the USA was founded on Christianity. I believe in the death penalty. Anyways...Giuliani will be far better than Hillary...she failed the New York bar exam 3 times...what a joke! And she is in company of other candidates who are equally bad. I have more respect for Obama than Hillary or Edwards. And Bill Richardson...why is he even there? Total joke! Maybe we need a leader...more like Putin. At least he is dignified and commands respect |
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MrSpice
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surfguy - this is a good discussion. Too bad almost no one can appreciate your views on the US politics since this forum is pretty empty
From my point of view you're exaggerating Clinton's problems (including her health care proposal that is primarily based on the private sector) and underestimating Giuliani's faults. I lived in New York 8 years under Giuliani and observed him on TV, in the news, etc.. I think he is a very smart and capable manager, and he deserves a lot of credit for turning the city around. However, he has many disturbing personality traits. Rudy does not seem to have that much respect for the 1st Amendment, and seems to trust and be loyal to some pretty crappy people. You will learn more about this as his campaign goes forward. Kerik's fall is just one of many things that can hurt him in the general campaign. |
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StephenB.
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| MrSpice wrote: | surfguy - this is a good discussion. Too bad almost no one can appreciate your views on the US politics since this forum is pretty empty
From my point of view you're exaggerating Clinton's problems (including her health care proposal that is primarily based on the private sector) and underestimating Giuliani's faults. I lived in New York 8 years under Giuliani and observed him on TV, in the news, etc.. I think he is a very smart and capable manager, and he deserves a lot of credit for turning the city around. However, he has many disturbing personality traits. Rudy does not seem to have that much respect for the 1st Amendment, and seems to trust and be loyal to some pretty crappy people. You will learn more about this as his campaign goes forward. Kerik's fall is just one of many things that can hurt him in the general campaign. |
I'm voting for him because he looks good in a dress...lol...No, Guiliani has some good and bad points about him, however, the good is more than the bad. Like I said, he's an open minded person who can make some real changes for the country if he just sticks to what he says and does good for the country. I remember and I think you do too Spice when Brooklyn Museum had a display of the Virgin Mary made out of elephant dung and he refused to give money to Endowment program that funded that expo in the museum. It was a big to do here in NYC about free speech and seperation of State and Religion. So that's one bad point about Guiliani that comes to my mind and I'm sure there are others. One is, why doesn't his kids talk to him? I guess that's his problem and shouldn't effect the way he runs the country if he gets elected...however, one never knows. |
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surfguy
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| Spice and Stephen B...I agree with both of you Giuliani...I'm sure there is plenty of dirt on him...hell How else would he get to be the mayor of New York. Quite frankly all the Candidates are bad. Hillary though hasn't done a dam thing...she's an utter joke. Well as I think it won't matter who is in office when it comes to international objectives. But domestic ones it certainly will. We shall see. I have to say I was impressed with NYC when I was there...and that was in 2000...but prior to 10 years ago wsa when NYC was well one screwed up city...Ed Koch! |
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I personally liked Rudy Giuliani. I think he was a great for NY and I would definately support him. He was well liked and he was good to his family. New York during his time there was a great place to work and live. I would like to see him become President.
I am not crazy about Hillary, but I would prefer her over Bush. We need a female in office. Don't you guys know a female can play a good game when she wants to and usually ends up the spade by playing hardball when it comes to getting what she wants. Nothing like a female to change the whole course of things by just batting her eyes. This is a dangerous situation for those men in politics. A tough sweet bitch in politics can eat you men alive because a little *u*** can screw you guys up.
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surfguy
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| If Hillary was good looking...that might be true...but she is a fat cow! Mooooooooo....!!!!!! |
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StephenB.
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| surfguy wrote: | | Spice and Stephen B...I agree with both of you Giuliani...I'm sure there is plenty of dirt on him...hell How else would he get to be the mayor of New York. Quite frankly all the Candidates are bad. Hillary though hasn't done a dam thing...she's an utter joke. Well as I think it won't matter who is in office when it comes to international objectives. But domestic ones it certainly will. We shall see. I have to say I was impressed with NYC when I was there...and that was in 2000...but prior to 10 years ago wsa when NYC was well one screwed up city...Ed Koch! |
I didn't mind Ed Koch too much..it was Dinkins after Koch that was a moron and screwed up everything in the city. Guiliani was good in that he made people who spent most of their lives on welfare get off their asses and work. He got rid of the School Chancellors who were so corrupt that there were mass exodus of teachers out of the cities into the suburbs. NYC is the largest school district in the country with 80,000 teachers and that's not including other school employees. So most good teachers left for the suburbs, therefore, they hired foreignors mostly from Puerto Rico because don't have to worry about Visa's etc...Guyana, the Philippines, India and Dominican Republic. If you go into any New York City schools there are hardly many white teachers like there once were. Koch had some good qualities..he didn't take shit from anyone, however, he catered to all the poor and ignored the middle class people of NYC. Dinkins did squat!! He didn't know where to start so he just left everything alone for his term and Guilani had to pick up the pieces. No one in their right mind would take the subway in the late 70s and most of the 80s. It was Guilani that really cleaned the subways, streets, street urchins and rats...lol |
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| surfguy wrote: | | If Hillary was good looking...that might be true...but she is a fat cow! Mooooooooo....!!!!!! |
LOL...I just don't trust her that much. One minute she says one thing the next she changes her mind. I don't care if she's a woman, plus she wears the pants in her family. One day it would be nice to have a woman President...it would be cool to see how they would run things. What was that Texan politician woman's name? She died not long ago...she would have been a good president..tough chick. |
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| StephenB. wrote: | | surfguy wrote: | | If Hillary was good looking...that might be true...but she is a fat cow! Mooooooooo....!!!!!! |
LOL...I just don't trust her that much. One minute she says one thing the next she changes her mind. I don't care if she's a woman, plus she wears the pants in her family. One day it would be nice to have a woman President...it would be cool to see how they would run things. What was that Texan politician woman's name? She died not long ago...she would have been a good president..tough chick. |
Yes It doesn't matter to me if a president is a woman or not...I think some one like gene Kirkpartick would have mad a fine President...or if we could get one like Margaret Thatcher. But Hillary? No way what a joke. John Edwards makes a better woman president than she does |
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MrSpice
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| jo jo 7 wrote: | | I personally liked Rudy Giuliani. I think he was a great for NY and I would definately support him. He was well liked and he was good to his family. |
That's actually not the case. He was known for being divisive - don't know what New York you lived, but before 9/11, his popularity here was pretty low, especially among non-whites but whites did not like him that much either for his disregard for the 1st amendment rights.
His family life has been in total disarray. His kids don't speak to him and he divorced 2 women and both basically hated him afterwards. Before you make any comments, research what you're discussing because you seem to have no clue about this subject. |
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StephenB.
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| MrSpice wrote: | | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_of_Rudy_Giuliani |
Interesting article Spice, especially the illegal immigration and Ground Zero controversy. |
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