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jo-jo-7
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| MrSpice wrote: | | jo jo 7 wrote: | | I personally liked Rudy Giuliani. I think he was a great for NY and I would definately support him. He was well liked and he was good to his family. |
That's actually not the case. He was known for being divisive - don't know what New York you lived, but before 9/11, his popularity here was pretty low, especially among non-whites but whites did not like him that much either for his disregard for the 1st amendment rights.
His family life has been in total disarray. His kids don't speak to him and he divorced 2 women and both basically hated him afterwards. Before you make any comments, research what you're discussing because you seem to have no clue about this subject. |
Okay Spicey. I will do better. Please don't hurt me. Yup, Yup!...  |
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bswaminathan
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| Quote: | | Well big changes in the next 3-3 years...Iran will fall. Iraq will stabilize, Oil Prices will drop, Eastern European countries...Bulgaria, Ukraine, Georgia, Romania...etc etcwill all come into the fold of Europe/Nato....times will be posperous there, The stock market will will stabilize, Real Estate will be up on the rise again..but more stable. The dollar will rise...and there will be a man in the US presidency. Russia's wealth will also start to spread outside of Moscow...and things will improve there as well. And the world will be at a peace never seen before. And as I saw when I was in Afghanistan...there will be golf courses in the valleys there! |
Is it, Iran will fall, are you sure? Iraq will stabilize, did you see the no of casualties, even the congress itself doesn't approve any funds for war fees. the ministry asked for 200billion, but they approved only 50billion. also they put a cap that the troops must be withdrawn with in the end of next year. Already dollar is weaken. In iraq already troops are in low moral strength.
If Russia is on rise, then its sure that it will bring back its dis integrated states and might be europe also. Also there are good ties. I hope the next president will be hilary and her tenure in the beginning will be stiff as she has to regain a better hold with the opposition. your experience with iran may not be like iraq, perhaps you can think of some negotiations like how you made with korea. Fate of afghanistan is in the hands of pakistan and iran. |
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RusskiCanadian23
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| surfguy wrote: | | Well big changes in the next 3-3 years...Iran will fall. Iraq will stabilize, Oil Prices will drop, Eastern European countries...Bulgaria, Ukraine, Georgia, Romania...etc etcwill all come into the fold of Europe/Nato....times will be posperous there, The stock market will will stabilize, Real Estate will be up on the rise again..but more stable. The dollar will rise...and there will be a man in the US presidency. Russia's wealth will also start to spread outside of Moscow...and things will improve there as well. And the world will be at a peace never seen before. And as I saw when I was in Afghanistan...there will be golf courses in the valleys there! |
"Iran will fall"
Is that wishful thinking there, Surfey? 
As far as "Eastern European countries...Bulgaria, Ukraine, Georgia, Romania...etc etcwill all come into the fold of Europe/Nato....", Russia is not going to just give that up without a fight. Your problem, Surfey, is that you keep on thinking that you knocked us (Russia) out in 1991. But you only knocked us down. Under a man like Putin, I see the good old RSFSR coming back! Yes, it is only one republic, but it is the biggest, most powerful one, and eventually, I know this, Putin WILL get Crimea (and maybe all of Eastern Ukraine aka "Malorossia"/"Little Russia") back for Russia, he WILL also admit Abkhasia, South Ossettia, and Transistria into the Federation (I am still more referring to it as "The Union" though), maybe that unity with Belarus will finally be coined, we'll start pumping oil out of our, Russian North Pole, we'll get our ports back in Syria, Cuba, and everywhere else, and then... who knows, maybe the Red Flag of Victory will once again wave proudly over Kremlin! That is my vision of the future, Surfguy. My dream.
"in Afghanistan...there will be golf courses in the valleys there" lol my dream is more realistic then yours! |
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surfguy
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| Well Ruskii I've been saying all along that Russia will become once again very strong! But what you fail to realize is that the USA has all the OIL we need to operate and thrive right here on our own soil...we have all the natural resources that we need right here too. And we have all the technology that we need to. Iran is finished...Iraq will be secured to what our needs are. Let's not forget we coming upon an election year...the gaol for the Democrats will be to make sure the Republicans do not win again...so they want a failure in Iraq. Both parties ultimately want to declare victory there. Which who ever is in office after the next election will be able to do so. If it's the Dems...then they will be able to say: See we had to come in and fix the problem. And if it is the Republicans...they'll say see: We were right all along! Either way makes no difference...because the US's agenda was always the same...Regime change, and Secure the oil, and Take out the mence of Iran. We have 1 million volunteers in our armed forces...and our air power is not even being used in Iraq...the Marine Corp is running the show there. Our Airforce could easily...easily take out Iran. Our budget for Iraq is so littered with pork barrel spending it is rediculous...the military didn't ask for 200 billlion...but our government did...and why...so that they could fund other projects. Whole thing is a scam...war is profit...and trust me there are a lot of people profiting off of it. Believe it or not...I just read an online article on people playing golf now in Kabul...pretty funny...but hey they are doing it! Ruskii are you having a change of attitude towards russia now...before you were saying that it was all different and it seemed as though Putin was not bringing it back to the ways of yesterday USSR...but now you are saying he is. Hmmmm....Russia will not get the Crimea. And Russia knows too...once Kosovo goes independent...then they will lose all those southern regions. I am willing to bet that there is a trade off with the west going on here. Keep in mind too...I don't necessarily agree with it |
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bswaminathan
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| Quote: | | Iraq will be secured to what our needs are. |
If so why the military didn't get the funding.
I may agree USA is one of the super powers, provided USSR is similar to. Russia and USA is like two sides of a coin.
| Quote: | | so they want a failure in Iraq. Both parties ultimately want to declare victory there. |
If IRAQ encroachment is failure. then what is the point in declaring victory. its not just to win the election, if anybody is going to continue the IRAQ war then prepare to face next vietnam. IRAQ & IRAN might be small. But they are enough capable to defend who ever wants to poach them. One thing bush can do, drop 2 atom bombs in IRAN & IRAQ, then declare war has acheived its motive.
| Quote: | | and our air power is not even being used in Iraq.. |
already IRAQi's grounded apache copters and several tanks. if you put entire stuff then it will be a mass grave for the equipments. you might have 10000atom bombs, but remember 1 atom bomb can detonate all of them.
| Quote: | taken from: http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/07/murtha-100b/
BREAKING: Military Will Request $100B For Iraq Next Year, Murtha Reveals
During his response to President Bush this afternoon, Murtha revealed, for the first time, that the Pentagon will ask for an additional $100 billion for operations in Iraq next year:
MURTHA: Twenty years it’s going to take to settle this thing. The American people is not going to put up with it; can’t afford it. We have spent $277 billion. That’s what’s been appropriated for this operation. We have $50 billion sitting on the table right now in our supplemental, or bridge fund we call it, in the Appropriations Committee. They’re going to ask for another $100 billion next year.
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QUESTION: Can we come back to the $100 billion? You said that you expect the military to ask for $100 billion. Where are you getting that figure?
MURTHA: Where I get all my figures: the military. |
The military does it....
Hey again, as you told surfguy, war is profit, BUSH might have owned lot of factories and they will get contracts and the business for them will be on a rise. also who knows from next year onwards every individual will be forced to pay 40% of their income as tax and every family has to send one person from their home as the soldier to the army. I know there might be huge no of volunteers but also see the no of casualties |
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surfguy
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Ok well you have to understand...the funding for the war will happen...just there is politicking and negotiations happenning. The funds for the war also include funds for here at home. Ok so our government people to get tax money to pay for projects here at home...they include in the war fund bill also these projects. So it's trading and negotiating to see who gets what. Everyone wants a piece of the pie. Ok Also Democrats and Republicans all profit...not just busb. Diane Feinstein who is a democrat hass made $800 million dollars of of this war...why because her Husband's companies got awarded government contracts...which she made sure of because of her position as head of the senate finance commitee. Ok the dems want the Iraq war to be a loss because it will ensure that they take over the white house. Then they will have control and will declare victory over there and further thier control. It's all very political. But the out come regardless will be the USA will get what it wants. It's just who will the people be who are in power at the time.
Tanks and helicopters grounded...I will tell you this,,,we lose more in training than in Iraq. It is war and guess what...those losses keep jobs and contracts going here...the more we lose in equipment the more we produce back here...trust me on this...the Defense industry is making billions off of this war. Yes the apache doesn't fair well in Sandy areas...but they are not grounded...nor are the tanks. Have to realize thier prurpose too. Tanks are not designed for Urban warfare.
Anyways we shall all see over the next year...but the troops will get thier funding |
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RusskiCanadian23
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| Quote: | | USA has all the OIL we need to operate and thrive right here on our own soil...we have all the natural resources that we need right here too. |
Europe doesn't though... And there's still China, our biggest customer in the moment, and also the biggest investor into our economy! 
| Quote: | | Russia will not get the Crimea. And Russia knows too...once Kosovo goes independent...then they will lose all those southern regions. |
That is why Russia will not allow Kosovo to go independent. It'll veto the resolution to the last, hell, I bet we are not participating in the Conventional Arms treaty for a reason, if it comes to that, Putin will send the Army to Serbia to beat down the Albanian pigs. And we will get the Crimea, there is already a huge movement there towards it!
| Quote: | | Ruskii are you having a change of attitude towards russia now...before you were saying that it was all different and it seemed as though Putin was not bringing it back to the ways of yesterday USSR...but now you are saying he is. |
I have hope now. And I respect Putin. He is a man, not a brainless pile of shit, like Yeltsin or Gorbachev. He is not affraid to stand up to the "American Wolf", he himself coined that term! |
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surfguy
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| yes I respect Putin a lot and he is very smart and very dignified. Soon he will be the richest man in the world. And he will be one to reckon with. I can only hope that kosovo does not go independent and Russia should put it's foot down |
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StephenB.
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| Russia has put her foot down in Kosovo, we just hope that the Western States will corporate and not give the Albanians power. There will most likely be bloodshed on both sides in Kosovo, Serbs and Albanians fighting. You will see more Serbs from Greater Serbia and the diaspora coming to the rescue of their homeland. Russians and other countries such as, Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, and the Ukraine will not allow muslim Albanians to take an Orthodox historical land such as Kosovo. I don't know about the Crimea though, I think that will stay in Ukrainian sovereignty. |
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bswaminathan
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see as long as the states integrate back to the homeland they are safe. places like georgia if they join back they have a bright future. else they will be fallen. i know its difficult to think, just image what if all the states asking for independence and all the state governors do a campaign by saying they will free it from washington and it will be independent.
like that those states have to go back for docking. russia is always for sure they will do good. and putin the messenger sent by god. he doesn't aim to be rich, he is the true patriot. for russia its worth to pray for smooth integration for the states. i wish putin to live long atleat next 50years in power. already russia is taking his collars high on europe. it has to think how to bring europe in to its pocket. alternatively russia has to modernize itself, like it has to make tie ups with countries like INDIA for education and health care. recently putin visited INDIA and really happy to see the IT parks here and willing to create the same one there.. there is a lot more to go to stabilise russia.
I wish Putin to have the blessings of good in his mission. |
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StephenB.
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| bswaminathan wrote: | see as long as the states integrate back to the homeland they are safe. places like georgia if they join back they have a bright future. else they will be fallen. i know its difficult to think, just image what if all the states asking for independence and all the state governors do a campaign by saying they will free it from washington and it will be independent.
like that those states have to go back for docking. russia is always for sure they will do good. and putin the messenger sent by god. he doesn't aim to be rich, he is the true patriot. for russia its worth to pray for smooth integration for the states. i wish putin to live long atleat next 50years in power. already russia is taking his collars high on europe. it has to think how to bring europe in to its pocket. alternatively russia has to modernize itself, like it has to make tie ups with countries like INDIA for education and health care. recently putin visited INDIA and really happy to see the IT parks here and willing to create the same one there.. there is a lot more to go to stabilise russia.
I wish Putin to have the blessings of good in his mission. |
What are you talking about BS, Georgia is doing fine without Russia..it takes time for a country that was dependent on another country to get back on its feet again. Believe, Georgians do not want to be part of Russia, nothing against Russians but I know that they don't want a Russian presence in their country ever again. Comparing American states to your statement doesn't make sense in a lot of ways. One, we all speak a common language and use the latin alphabet unlike Georgian and Russian and we speak English. Two, we've been together for over a hundred years and share the same principles about life and liberty. Our culture and customs are pretty much the same in the states some vary, however, we eat some of the same foods. Whereas, Russian and Georgian cuisines are quite different from each other. So to say that they are better off being with Russian doesn't make any sense at all. Remember they are an independent State now. That chapter of being with Russia is over. |
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RusskiCanadian23
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| StephenB. wrote: | | bswaminathan wrote: | see as long as the states integrate back to the homeland they are safe. places like georgia if they join back they have a bright future. else they will be fallen. i know its difficult to think, just image what if all the states asking for independence and all the state governors do a campaign by saying they will free it from washington and it will be independent.
like that those states have to go back for docking. russia is always for sure they will do good. and putin the messenger sent by god. he doesn't aim to be rich, he is the true patriot. for russia its worth to pray for smooth integration for the states. i wish putin to live long atleat next 50years in power. already russia is taking his collars high on europe. it has to think how to bring europe in to its pocket. alternatively russia has to modernize itself, like it has to make tie ups with countries like INDIA for education and health care. recently putin visited INDIA and really happy to see the IT parks here and willing to create the same one there.. there is a lot more to go to stabilise russia.
I wish Putin to have the blessings of good in his mission. |
What are you talking about BS, Georgia is doing fine without Russia..it takes time for a country that was dependent on another country to get back on its feet again. Believe, Georgians do not want to be part of Russia, nothing against Russians but I know that they don't want a Russian presence in their country ever again. Comparing American states to your statement doesn't make sense in a lot of ways. One, we all speak a common language and use the latin alphabet unlike Georgian and Russian and we speak English. Two, we've been together for over a hundred years and share the same principles about life and liberty. Our culture and customs are pretty much the same in the states some vary, however, we eat some of the same foods. Whereas, Russian and Georgian cuisines are quite different from each other. So to say that they are better off being with Russian doesn't make any sense at all. Remember they are an independent State now. That chapter of being with Russia is over. |
Notice, I didn't say anything about Georgia. I was only talking about South Ossetia and Abkhasia, where Russian language is used, in business, government, and in everyday life, waaaaay more then Georgian, the Russian Ruble is the main currency, and which both do, in fact, wish to be a part of the Russian Federation, rather then be Georgian provinces. |
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StephenB.
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| I know that Russki, I was talking to BS who mentioned Georgia..You're right about those other break away provinces that they speak Russian etc...I think BS is confused about what you were trying to say. |
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RusskiCanadian23
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| StephenB. wrote: | | I know that Russki, I was talking to BS who mentioned Georgia..You're right about those other break away provinces that they speak Russian etc...I think BS is confused about what you were trying to say. |
Well, in any case, this is the man without whom Russia would still be a pathetic wasteland that it was back in the 90s.
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RusskiCanadian23
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How about this verion of the above picture?
http://allprikol.ru/politic_pic/23.html
Hehe, heil Putin, lieben furher!
Funny thing is, even if Russia did turn into a Nazi state, as long as it would give Russians a better life, I wouldn't object. |
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