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RusskiCanadian23
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| StephenB. wrote: | | surfguy wrote: | | StephenB. wrote: | | RusskiCanadian23 wrote: | | Quote: | | It's not that easy to throw them out since they were under colonial rule for hundreds of years. |
So what? They have their own countries now... that is what they wanted, so let them stay there, in their own countries. |
Yeah that would be a good idea, however, people don't look at it like that. One person comes and then before you know it the whole family is there. |
people go to where the jobs are and the security is-Certainly Algeria cannot offer what Paris can. |
Also, if French is your first or second language you're going where you wouldn't have a problem communicating. When I went to Northern Africa, everyone spoke French-Morrocco, Algeria and Tunisia. Also, many Haitians live in Paris too even though Haiti gain its independence in the 1700s they are still flocking there. Also lets not forget that there is a large Haitain community in Montrealtoo. |
Our Governor General, Michaëlle Jean, is from Haiti.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Jean |
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yorbcbud
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:36 am Post subject: |
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Good one Victor. Most people don't know that. She visited Haiti earlier this year. |
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surfguy
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| RusskiCanadian23 wrote: | | surfguy wrote: | | StephenB. wrote: | | That's what happens (France) when you had so many French colonies all around the world (Morocco, Algeria, Sierra Leone, some Caribbean Islands, French Guiana, Tunisia, Senegal, Mali, Ivory Coast, Benin, Chad, list goes on and one). The colonists are now going to the Motherland and turning the tables around. It's not that easy to throw them out since they were under colonial rule for hundreds of years. England has experienced with Indians arriving back in the 1960s or even earlier. Italy has problems with Albanians because Albanians were protected by the Italians throughout history and now these people (Albanians) actually think they are Italians; the southern city of Bari is overcrowded with these people. Spain is being invaded by the Dominicans by the thousands. So this is the result to some extent of colonialization, wars, etc... |
Very good point Stephen B...lot of truth to this for sure.
Well let's not forget Afghanistan is a UN and NATO effort. When I was there the Germans were running the show in Kabul. The Kiwis were also in a lot of the northern areas. And the US and Canada were down in the south in the Khandahar region...this is where most of the action was at. Afghanistan is a corrupt place...with all the Opium trade. That needs to get elliminated for sure as the money generated from the sale of herroin funds Al Qeda. But I see India getting involved here at some point and assisting with taking out a lot of the Al Queda forces in Pakistan. Lot going on for sure. |
What I heard would happen in Afghanistan, is that NATO will turn the job over to the STO (Shanghai Treaty Organisation). We are talking Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, potentially Iran, and India. |
That's interesting as gosh about 2 months ago I was watching Russian news and they were saying how the Embassy in Kabul was set to reopen and that there was potential for Russian troops to be sent to there to assist. Hmmm see...lot of Geo Politics going on. |
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mister_wizzz
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| RusskiCanadian23 wrote: | | Yeah, well, do you know what is happening in Paris right now? Hundreds of Arab and black immigrants are rioting in the outskirts of the City. |
Yes that's the result of a stupid immigration policy, it is clear that Arabs and blacks africans cannot, don't want to integrate the French society.
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The French police can't stop them: they already have 30 officers injured. That's because French police are weak!
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French police is not weak believe me but they obey to political orders : "to avoid kill at any price" which means that policemen have big chance to be heavily injured.
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This would never happen in Russia: the OMON and other riot and rapid responce special police divisions would drown those Arabs are whoever else tries to behave disorderly in the streets in their own blood, that's why! Thank god Russia has these guys to protect our streets!
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That's the big difference between a dicture like Russia and a real democraty like France. In Russia, death of hundreds of hostages is acceptable (-> Beslan) not in France. The same with rioters : no death can be accepted, it is like that in France like in any countries of western Europe.
But don't get me wrong, I only give you an answer, it doesn't reflect my own way of thinking. If I were the French President be sure I would do everything to crunch those fucking bastards.
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P.S. I am not racist, but it pisses me off when a bunch of stupid Arab pigs go rioting like this in a European City! This is EUROPE! This is not your poor assed, aids infested Africa! If you don't like it, GO THE FUCK HOME! God, I wish those sons of a puta tried something like this say in Saint Petersburg. Just to have those guys above break some of the arabs' bones! |
I am not racist either and it pissed me off even more because it is my country.
PS : if you try to speak spanish, do it properly, don't say "sons of a puta" but "hijos de puta". |
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mister_wizzz
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| RusskiCanadian23 wrote: | | Quote: | | France is for French People! |
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamen! +1
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At least for people who really wants to become French citizens otherwise we will have to send back to Russia thansands of Russians who are living there (...and I don't think they want to go back  ).
| Quote: | | Paris needs to get some balls and crush these people and send them home. |
It is not a question of balls like you say, it is a question of law. How could you send them home if most of them are born in France and have the French citizenship ?
For illegals (usually those one don't mess), it is very difficult to send them back home because the french government has to follow the law with all those fucking procedures.
One of them is simply unbeleivable :
When an illegal got arrested, the French gov should ask to the ambassy of the country where the illegal is coming from if they accept to bring him back !!!! Very often, the ambassy simply don't answer and the Police have to release the illegal after 5 weeks...
| RusskiCanadian23 wrote: | | Sure, except the French don't have any. I heard that once, when a bunch of German tourists were sightseeing in France, near a French Army base, the garrisson saw them, thought that Germany is attacking France again, like in 1940, and, like in 1940, immedeatly surrendered to the surprised tourists! |
LOL, you know that the French and the Germans are now the best allies, that's a very good thing I guess we have to thank the Russians for that.
1940... again and again. The French and the German army are among the best of the world, the same with our weapons.
1940 will never happened again, and you know what ? During the cold war, the Soviets got a great idea not invading the western Europe because we would have kicked your fucking ass properly (without the help of US). |
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surfguy
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| Quote: | Dozens Arrested During Anti-Putin Demo
By Galina Stolyarova
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Alexander Demianchuk / Reuters
Riot police detain a protestor during an opposition march by the Hermitage on Sunday. Police detained dozens of protestors, along with opposition party leaders.
European politicians have criticized the actions taken by Russian police in response to last weekend’s Dissenters’ Marches in Moscow and St. Petersburg. Riot police detained dozens of opposition activists and citizens during peaceful rallies organized by The Other Russia coalition and supported by the liberal opposition parties.
“I am seriously concerned by the information about the persecution and arrests of opposition politicians and participants in peaceful demonstrations in Russia,” reads a statement by Jose Manuel Barroso, president of the European Commission, presented in Brussels on Monday by EC spokesperson Johannes Laitenberger.
The demonstrations were the latest in this year’s series of rallies aimed at challenging the Kremlin and its policies. This time the focus of the demonstrations was electoral corruption in Russia.
“Under President [Vladimir] Putin, Russia has adopted the shameful practice of witch-hunting that is sending the country back into the 1930s and Stalin’s totalitarian rule,” said Maxim Reznik, leader of the St. Petersburg branch of the democratic party, Yabloko.
“The rhetoric which Putin and the United Russia party have used during the current election campaign openly threatens the voters. Essentially they have branded anyone who is not with the ruling party as enemies of the state seeking to undermine the stability of Russia.”
Barroso said the policing of the opposition protests in Moscow and St Petersburg had been “heavy-handed.”
“The right to peaceful free speech and assembly are basic fundamental human rights and I very much regret that the authorities found it necessary to take such heavy-handed action,” the statement said.
Earlier this year politicians from Europe and the United States condemned police brutality in dispersing Dissenters’ Marches. Following a series of rallies in April, Rene van der Linden, the president of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) said that it was indefensible for a Council of Europe member country to use excessive force in such situations, and added that he condemned suppression of such demonstrations anywhere.
In Russia, pro-Kremlin politicians have defended the tough line taken by police. Although criminal proceedings were launched against some policemen over excessive use of force, none has yet resulted in a conviction or even reached court. Human rights lawyers representing demonstrators have accused public prosecutors and the courts of deliberately delaying the proceedings in an effort to discourage ordinary people from challenging the authorities.
Representatives of The Other Russia said more than 300 people were detained at Sunday’s rally, while police said they had detained around 100 protesters.
The opposition rally in St. Petersburg started chaotically just after 11 a.m. on Ulitsa Mayakovskogo in the city center. Within minutes police intervened and detained a group of opposition leaders, including Reznik, and fellow politicians from Yabloko and the Union of Right Forces (SPS), including SPS leader Nikita Belykh.
With the leaders in custody and no definite route confirmed, the event continued uncertainly until about 2:30 p.m. The fragmented crowd headed to Palace Square, with more and more people being detained along the way.
The event’s organizers had failed to reach agreement with City Hall regarding the route of the rally. The organizers had requested to march along Nevsky Prospekt and hold a subsequent meeting on Palace Square. But the authorities turned down the plan on the grounds that it would disturb the traffic in the historic center, a standard argument used to ban rallies at the heart of the city that are not organized by City Hall itself or organizations sympathetic to it. The St. Petersburg administration has been criticized internationally for placing the freedom of road traffic above freedom of expression.
The opposition groups refused to accept an alternative offer from the city authorities to hold the rally on a side street and a meeting in the Chernyshevsky Gardens, an area with limited capacity near Moskovsky Train Station.
The police presence was massive, with dozens of police vehicles ranged along Nevsky Prospekt, on side streets, and outside the State Hermitage Museum. Detachments of riot police were placed along streets, and officers were seen inside cafes and shops around the Palace Square and along Nevsky.
The police vigorously seized both activists and peaceful pedestrians who were neither holding signs, shouting slogans or trying to break through police cordons.
Those detained were pushed into police vehicles. Among those detained were frail-looking pensioners staring in shock at the chaotic events around them.
Officers also stopped the people for what initially looked like routine document checks. But their documents were perfunctorily scrutinized and a number were thrown into vans.
Boris Nemtsov, one of the leaders of the Union of Right Forces, attempted to talk to reporters outside the Hermitage, next to the Palace Bridge, at around 1 p.m. But, amid flashing cameras, he was quickly grabbed by police before he could speak, and led into a police van.
“The level of brutality and the huge police presence mounted against a peaceful civil demonstration reflects the increasing level of fear among the authorities,” Nemtsov said. “Governors are scared to look their people in the eye and answer any challenging questions. The authorities are cowards.”
Nemtsov was taken to a police station, but was released a few hours later. Nemtsov was echoed by other democratic politicians who attended the demonstration.
“One wonders why, considering president Putin’s staggering 70-percent approval rating, the authorities are so frightened by a modest demonstration like this,” said Boris Vishnevsky, a member of the political council of the St. Petersburg branch of Yabloko. “The answer is simple — the high approval rating is based on ordinary people’s ignorance about how corrupt the authorities are. And those who do take to the streets want to spread that knowledge.”
Critics of the demonstration argued it had failed, since a proper meeting was never held and the event itself ended up in chaos.
But Yevgeny Kozlov, head of the Movement for Civil Initiatives, a St. Petersburg-based NGO, denounced the criticism.
“What matters is that people did come despite knowing that police act offensively, as it did during all the previous events like this,” he said. “Their presence has shown that it is impossible to beat self-respect out of a person with a police truncheon. It is easier to beat the life out of them, however depressing that may sound.” |
Hmmmmm..... |
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RusskiCanadian23
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| Quote: | | that's the big difference between a dicture like Russia and a real democraty like France. |
Yeah, Russia is a dictatorship, and it doesn't have Arabs running it's streets. Unlike Great Democratic France. |
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yorbcbud
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LOL, you know that the French and the Germans are now the best allies, that's a very good thing I guess we have to thank the Russians for that.
1940... again and again. The French and the German army are among the best of the world, the same with our weapons.
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I saw a sneak preview of the new Eurocopter the other day. I think it was called HA-91. The most advanced helicopter in the world. It's quite impressive. Nothing like that in the west, that's for sure. |
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yorbcbud
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| surfguy wrote: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8KJdqzK-_c
Nothing like it in the West? Are you sure? |
Well, Eurocopter has branches in Canada and the US, so I suppose there are, but they are of European design, built here. But thanks for proving my point. Europeans are far ahead of the west in that area.
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surfguy
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| they are used every where pretty much...bad ass for sure...partly owned by Diambler-Chrysler Corp. And part of EADS. Russia has very similar ones too...Hmmmm...? |
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yorbcbud
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| Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:31 am Post subject: |
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| surfguy wrote: | | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8RUfVZS4o8&feature=related |
According to the comments, this is an Apache, not a Blackhawk, and aren't they getting a bit outdated anyway? I think I'd pick the Tiger myself, because of the program I saw, about instrumentation, and performance. |
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