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surfguy Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979	Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:01 am    Post subject: Moon launch a fake? Yeah OK! So one small step for man was really one giant toke for mankind? OOOOOKKKKAAAAAYYYY!!!!
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bswaminathan Lounge Lizard Joined: 09 Oct 2007 Posts: 164	Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:11 am    Post subject: Quote: No, Soviet people just believed in hard work, dedication, and giving it all for our country first, and THEN for our own irrelevant selves. yes for their country they made everything in to reality. Quote: Moon launch a fake? Yeah OK! So one small step for man was really one giant toke for mankind? OOOOOKKKKAAAAAYYYY!!!! The whole launch is simply a video shooting happened in desert. even NASA guys made to question among themselves, did we really landed in moon? Quote: the US space shuttle made it's debut flight 20 years before Buran... Surf, i have double checked its not 20years where Space shuttle made its maiden flight before Buran. In 1985 there is a confirmed flight for Buran, so it means US space shuttle made its maiden flight in 1965. I don't think so, check the following http://www.russianspaceweb.com/baikonur_energia_history.html
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surfguy Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979	Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:26 am    Post subject: No you are right the shuttle first launched into space in 1981...(Manned) and Buran launched in 1988 (unmanned) and never saw space again. I guess due to lack of funds. But yes I am wrong onthe 20 years...oops! But I guess too though it is a moot point because Buran has never carried people into Space.
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surfguy Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979	Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:30 am    Post subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buran_program BS why do you bring up Buran when the whole program never really got of the ground and ended up litterally collapsing...it's hardly a success for the Russian Space program.
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RusskiCanadian23 Lounge Wizard Joined: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 1104 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada/Ванкувер, Британская Колумбия, Канада	Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:41 am    Post subject: Quote: BS why do you bring up Buran when the whole program never really got of the ground and ended up litterally collapsing... That's because the country collapsed too. Quote: it's hardly a success for the Russian Space program. There is no "Russian Space Program anymore. Not as far as I am concerned. Rosskosmos is an excuse for a program, it is behind other countries in every way. Same as our military factories. Why? Because of new Russian capitalism. "Yeah, we'd rather sell our new tank to India, or fucking China, then our own military!" God, I wish Stalin would come back! Iosif Vissarionovich would put every single owner of those factory owners to the wall, and send everyone of their assistants, and managers to the Gulags! That is how justice should be served! These sons of bitches are disgracing thier country! They don't give a shit about Russia! It's just filling up their own pockets that is important to them! Every single one deserves to be shot for Treason!
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bswaminathan Lounge Lizard Joined: 09 Oct 2007 Posts: 164	Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:02 pm    Post subject: Quote: There is no "Russian Space Program anymore. They are up again and not to the level before as its too early to expect. even the current ISS russia is a partner. Quote: Buran launched in 1988 Buran had a flight in 1985 itself. See its the ability of a country, For ex: Lockheed martin is major in military jets but after the T-101 tristar crisis it forgot the civil jet market itself. it can never again come back. only the boeing is continuing in that. where as in Russia, before the collapse sukhoi is a giant in heavy fighter. Even after the collapse it ventured in to passenger jet. so as long as one can turn up again and again like "under taker" in WWF they will survive.
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surfguy Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979	Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:33 pm    Post subject: BS...Sukhoi merged with another company to produce civilian jets. There is nothing anymore special about Russian Aviation than there is US...or Europe. Lockheed Martin is huge in Aviation...Dude...you need to get more up to speed on this stuff...come now Also Buran's flight in 1985 was a taxi test...wasn't into space...that didn't happen until 1988 and lasted for 3 hours. It was unmanned. After which Buran never flew again...and later the roof of it's hangar collapsed on it and Buran is now in the bone yard
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mister_wizzz VIP Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 582	Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:53 pm    Post subject: krasatulya wrote: RusskiCanadian23 wrote: Paul Holmes wrote: Alberta Canada was close by and We are 2nd in math also lol You wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiish! Russia and China are #1 and #2 in Math, whichever of them, is which, I do not know, but I know this: Russians are smartest people in Europe, and Chinese are smartest in Asia. Ha, that's funny, Russki. Thanks for the good laugh. "The smartest people in Europe"...I would love to read up on the literature that produced that factoid you reference. I know one thing for sure, Russians are definitely not a modest crowd There is a special prize for mathematicians younger than 30 years old called Medal Fields, it is considered like being the Nobel Prize in mathematic. Check this link (in english) : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fields_Medal and this one in french (there is the classification by country) : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A9daille_Fields 1st : USA 2nd : France (not so bad for a so small country...) 3rd : Russia + USSR Where is China ?!? Sorry Ruskiii And you are right Krasatulya, Russians doesn't seem very modest, I would say even a bit arrogant : Gregori Perelman refused the honor, according to him the Medal field Prize has absolutely no interest LOL
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mister_wizzz VIP Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 582	Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:43 pm    Post subject: [quote="bswaminathan"] Quote: I don't know about math, but I already knew that Russians are way up there in education. They are incredibly smart people. Communism sure produced some very intelligent people. Most of my friends there are doctors, dentists, and teachers. A couple engineers, and architects, as well. Communism in Russia produced smart people, yes and what ? Any country in the world produced smart people, and if you check the Nobel statistics you will realize there are not so many of them. bswaminathan wrote: they are the first to design supersonic civil aircraft which made its maiden flight 3months before Concorde of France. Wrong. The French and the British did it with Concorde. Did you notice that the Soviet counterpart of Concorde is the exact copy ? In fact not the exact copy, tupolev 144 crashed at the Aeronotic Salon Le Bourget in France. Do you know why ? I watched a document about this some years ago. Actually the soviets were spying the Concorde Project and the British and French secret services knew that, so they gave them some false technical documents. It seems that the Soviets didn't have enough time to check them LOL bswaminathan wrote: Russia's miriya is still the largest cargo aircraft in the world. The orbiter Buran has got some finest ability which no space shuttle in the world posses. The largest Cargo aircraft, yes but it is much more easier than building the largest "passengers aircraft". As for the shuttle Buran, it never worked... bswaminathan wrote: even recently from a study its declared that russian kids of age <10 are the best literate in the world. A warm salute to soviets, their space tech is unimaginable. Their space tech is good but not unimaginable like you say. The Russians (nor the US) don't have the equivalent of Ariane 5 launcher, which is able to carry up to 10 tons at 36 000 km orbit. bswaminathan wrote: I would say Russia has to develop in some key areas to survive from external threats, these are coward, ability to collapse a empire, engaging in war to spread arms race, use of nukes to bend someone, use of sexual tortures to convert innocents to terrorists. spying. they should recruit more 007's to get their work done. these are the modest ways as practiced by others. BS I think you watch too many science fiction movies. Really you are hilarious, saying that the USA didn't send astronauts to the moon, that in fact it was a movie filmed in the desert LOOL You know what, it is the scenario of a movie : "Capricorn one". I didn't know there were some brain washing in India like in the Soviet Union or China where most of people there think Chinese are the first in the space
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nikir Frequent Guest Joined: 17 Mar 2010 Posts: 54	Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:53 pm    Post subject: Ah Wizz There you are telling me not to waste time on a moron. Isn't human nature interesting at times?
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bswaminathan Lounge Lizard Joined: 09 Oct 2007 Posts: 164	Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:07 pm    Post subject: Ha Ha, I will read all the replies and will definitely respond to all. Right now i'm going to attend a conference and i will be back after 3days. happy Week end!
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mister_wizzz VIP Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 582	Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:47 pm    Post subject: nikir wrote: Ah Wizz There you are telling me not to waste time on a moron. Isn't human nature interesting at times? Actually, each time I post here it is because I have time to waste
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surfguy Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979	Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:40 pm    Post subject: A lot of things that the soviets made didn't work...like the Syrian Air Defenses. Buran like the Concorde involved heavy espionage too. But the good from everyone trying to create something better is that we compete and push ourselves to create. I'm not a big fan of space travel...I'd much rather go on a submarine
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yorbcbud Lounge Wizard Joined: 17 Feb 2006 Posts: 4903 Location: Сорренто, Британская Колумбия, Канада	Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:13 am    Post subject: surfguy wrote: Bc it's an irrelevant link because it's based on Space mortality rates. I am talking about overall aviation...so That link is solely on Space mishaps and does not include aviation mishap statistics...which may or may not result in deaths. Also Aviation mishaps cannot be based solely on Countries in which the accident occured...but rather you have to distinguish between pilot error and mechanical failure. Which then if we are to make it a national statistic...then we need to take into account nationality of pilot...and place of product manufacture too include the manufacturing of the aircraft component and or the assembly of the aircraft. So a lot of factors to think about. Also aviation is divided into two categories...civilian and military. A mishap is still a mishap...regardless of how many deaths occured. Also we have to factor in the number of aircraft in service and the number of flight hours and the number of flights. So many factors and variables to consider. And it is common knoweledge in the aviation community that Russia has suffered some of the worse statistics across the board. And most russians know it. I became interested in all of this especially durring the summer of 2006 when between May and Agust when there were three civilian aircrashes...one in the Ukraine where many many children died...that flight originated or was destined for St Pete...pretty sad Africa has the worst record, to be precise. FSU countries are in second place, but we were talking about space shuttles, and the like.
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yorbcbud Lounge Wizard Joined: 17 Feb 2006 Posts: 4903 Location: Сорренто, Британская Колумбия, Канада	Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:17 am    Post subject: RusskiCanadian23 wrote: Quote: but for soviet they believed in reality than in imagination. No, Soviet people just believed in hard work, dedication, and giving it all for our country first, and THEN for our own irrelevant selves. Dude, that's what communism, and socialism are all about. And I support either system, minus the greed and corruption. Capitalism is crap. The spread between rich, and poor is cavernous. I think you'll never find a better " happy medium" than Canada. I pay a lot of taxes, and I'd pay even more, if it was put to work in my own community. I already do free work for seniors.
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