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drtintin
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 Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 6:03 am Post subject: to WaytoRussia |
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hello founders of this site,
Its nice to find such a authentic site in the net
i am an Indian student studying in St Petersburg state medical Academy.
I feel such a site is very necessary just because in the net and Newspapers we find a lot of false/exaggerated stories about Russia ..i think only after u come n stay at Russia u can realize how false are those publicities about Russia ..like the skin heads...in my 2 years stay in Russia i have never met one ..there has been times
when i have been alone in the roads during 2 o’clock night
well at present i am doing a research on "human intensions" and will b publishing it in an International conference....i think u people with a lot of foreign exposure can help me in my research
please give me some light in the following aspects:
1 why do u people think that the Rest of the world particularly US and the west are always anti Russia? every single fault in the Russian system is always exaggerated ...why?
2 Russians are taught English during their school times ...still why do we find 96% Russians in St Petersburg refusing to speak in English with a foreigner....do they really don’t know or profusely refuse to speak in English?
3 US web sites State that the health care services in Russia are very back dated ....i being a medical Student don’t see anything back dated in my institute....are the medical facilities in St Petersburg Hospitals really very back dated in comparison to the west?
I will be very obliged if u kindly help me with ur valuable reply.
with love
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Randy
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Tintin...
I can help you with the question about medical facilities in St.Petersburg. I have visited, and worked in some of St.Pete's hospitals, and can tell you for a fact that they do not come close to western, or european standards unless they have made major upgrades during the last two years. Being a med student maybe it would help you to visit Hospital No.10, Hospital No.1 (the childrens hospital), or the Veterans Hospital and see first hand. To really compare the differences though you would have to have been in a western hospital.
Hospital No.10 is mainly for the poor. On my last visit to this hospital a cadaver was laying on a gurney, partially covered with a sheet, and was covered with flies in the main enterance hallway. The building was deteriorated, no air-conditioning for summer, and the only ventilation was open windows, with screens missing or falling off. Some patients layed on thin matteresses on the floor. I was in this hospital for several days just to observe. I saw patients receive injections with the same syringe, disposeable gloves washed, and reused, patients with bloody bandages covered with flies, food served on newspaper instead of clean plates, surgical insturments cleaned by boiling water put on trays with a rag to cover them until they dried. The winter was no better. It seemed just as cold inside the patients rooms as it did outside. The paients had to wear their own coats, and gloves to stay warm because the hospital didn't have enough blankets. This was just Hospital No.10. I could go on about the children's hospital, and the Veteran's Hospital, but it would be a book. There is very good medical facilities, and excellent medical care if a person has the money, but lets face it, not many people I know there have that much money, and insurance there has a long way to go yet.
There are some very good doctor's, and researchers in Russia, and some are known around the world. After some discussions with several physicians there I learned that continuing education is limited to many doctors. They told me that most hospitals are subsidized by the government, but not with enough money to keep up with the growing technology advances in medicine, and equipment. One big thing with the doctor's, and nurses is no incintives. Their pay cannot compare to other western countries. I could go on forever with this subject, but will stop here.
I only suggest you visit these hospital's, and ask questions while there.
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waytorussia
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Hi, I can help you with the first two questions:
1) I don't think at all personally that the rest of the world is against Russia. And most of the people I know do not think so as well.
I think what you are referring to is a natural pride of Russians about their nationality: most Russians think that Russia is very special and sometimes it expresses itself in positioning Russia "against" other countries and comparing it. I don't think it is malicious, it's just some kind of patters that only some Russian people have. I think most people don't even think about these stuff: there are a lot of other interesting things in life to be concerned about. 
2) Russian people are naturally quite shy and also you should remember that Russian language is different in pronounciation comparing to English, so it is hard to directly "switch" and start speaking, even if you know how to do it. I guess most people can read, but find it hard to speak English. I'm sure it's not intentionally. If you want to speak English with a Russian person, it may be good to make a few first steps and to try speaking Russian (even a few "broken" words would do), so that the person sees that you don't speak Russian too well as well, and then maybe he / she will "open up" and start speaking English. Sorry, this is just a national peculiarity and you can't do anything about it.  |
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drtintin
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by rest of the world I ment Media ie newspapers , news sites etc
way to Russia wrote:
"""I don't think at all personally that the rest of the world is against Russia. And most of the people I know do not think so as well."""""""""""""""
if that is the case theen why is there so many Myths concerning Russia?
in your own website in the "myths and facts" section you state :
"""""""""""""""""Sometimes we hear and see so many striking, odd and new things about Russia on TV or in newspapers or from the people we meet, that I think I'm missing something! Really, it turns out I live at such a dangerous place flooded with mafiosi, catastrophes, bombings happening all the time, with deadly cold winters, demolished economy, depressed people that I'm really surprised I'm still alive and living here. The point is that all those things about Russia are either not true or very much exaggerated."""""""""""""""""
I having stayed in Russia for 2 years fully agree with u that those things about Russia are very much Exaggerated..........My qustion is what is the REASON of this "Exaggeration" by the Western and US media.....they seem to attack Russia more than any other country...n thus we come through all those myths about Russia......... |
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wavetossed
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Most English speaking people find it difficult to understand the accent of people from India until they become familiar with it. In fact, when I am in France or Germany (speaking French or German) I have difficulty recognizing that someone is speaking English unless they are speaking with a standard American or British accent.
I would expect that most Russian people who only used English in school will not be able to recognize that you are speaking English.
What you could try is to give them plenty of clues. For instance start like this:
Hello.
Do you speak English?
This uses three common words/phrases that are very distinctly English. "Hello", and "do you?" and "English. |
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mariaq
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Tintin
As to your question 2., most people who learn English are afraid to use it outside the classroom. They don't trust their own knowledge, are afraid of seeming stupid or being misunderstood when they make a mistake. A good friend of mine learned English in school in Moscow, travelled in India, has an English-speaking girlfriend, and is still hesitant of being misunderstood. Try speaking Russian, then at least the locals will feel more at ease with you.
By the way, India (especially Sikkim) and Bhutan are the only countries I have visited where the average local is completely uninhibited speaking English. I don't think it's due to superior quality of language teachers; maybe it's the mentality of the local people. |
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DennisF
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| Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2004 5:30 am Post subject: response to drtintin and randy |
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I was disturbed but not surprised to hear about the condition of some of the Russian hospitals. Do the people have a choice of more than one hospital or is there no alternative? Do the physicians at a hospital have any control over conditions? I would think that a competent surgeon would at least have some control over the method of sterilization of the instruments he was about to use. If infection control prodedures are so shoddy, do the patients have access to current antibiotics?
I am in the medical profession myself, having administered over 21,000 anesthetics to date. I would enjoy some dialogue with my counterparts in Russia.
I am planning a trip to Russia soon to adopt an orphan and while there would like to visit a Russian hospital (but not as a patient). How could a tour or visit to a Russian hospital be arranged? I do not know the dates of my trip yet as I am waiting on the whims of the Russian Ministry of Education. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks, DennisF |
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Patrick01
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| Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 5:13 pm Post subject: Re: to WaytoRussia |
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1 why do u people think that the Rest of the world particularly US and the west are always anti Russia? every single fault in the Russian system is always exaggerated ...why?
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I can answer from personal experience. Growing up in the 50's and early 60's during the "Cold War" was an anti-Russian period of time. The fear of a nuclear war was instilled in us "school children". I grew up close to a nuclear research area which was considered a target of an attack.
I remember being taught what to do if there was a nuclear attack. We even practiced by ducking under our desk. One day they let school out early so we could go to the place or home we would go to in case of a nuclear attack.
This type of attitude persisted and the "all Russians are atheists" propaganda turned us against Russians as a group. For some reason we seem to need an enemy.
In 1992 we inivted a group from Kazakhstan as a part of a cultural exchange. I went there in 1991. We housed everyone in local homes. At first I found it hard to find enough host homes. The problem was that some of my friends worked in high security plants and were afraid of losing their security clearence.
Of course the Kazakhs were great people and well received. Host families were saddened when everyone left.
The old 50's/60's Russian steriotypes have pretty much faded in the area where I live. Of course there are new steriotypes fanned by the liberal American press.
My eyes were not really opened until I visited Moscow and Kazakhstan. I have a very favorable view toward Russians. I feel safer in Moscow than I would in New York City. Of course that is an unfair steriotype of New York City. |
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