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jo jo 7
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Joined: 05 Nov 2006
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Location: Louisville,Kentucky
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| MrSpice wrote: | | jo jo 7 wrote: |
Are you being sarcastic? We do have our problems here in town but not as much as Louisville. We are safer that most, we did have a gang who was causing some problems a few years ago, but they were kicked out by the county police. I watch my back, but I don't walk around here like I am on pins and needles. |
The point is - the blacks don't have too many opportunities to get a good education and succeed. That's my point. I have no doubt that your 90%-white wealthy neighborhood is safe. That's a given. |
I just looked it up, my county is 93.62% white and 4.10% Black. The rest is Asian and Mexican. We are also the 48th wealthiest county in America. |
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yorbcbud
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Joined: 17 Feb 2006
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Location: Сорренто, Британская Колумбия, Канада
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Are you kidding me...Blacks...whites...Asian...Mexican...whoever...we all have the same opportunities in life...now if you are ugly and one of the above...that's a different story |
You have a rich daddy, who gives you money. How is that any comparison to a poor black kid from the projects? What an insensitive thing to say. But not a surprise coming from you. And, ugly is, as ugly does. |
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surfguy
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Joined: 13 Apr 2006
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| yorbcbud wrote: | | surfguy wrote: |
Are you kidding me...Blacks...whites...Asian...Mexican...whoever...we all have the same opportunities in life...now if you are ugly and one of the above...that's a different story |
You have a rich daddy, who gives you money. How is that any comparison to a poor black kid from the projects? What an insensitive thing to say. But not a surprise coming from you. And, ugly is, as ugly does. |
Well being that you are from Canada...how would you know BC...How many blacks are in Sorrento? Have many blacks have you lived with...don't tell me about insensitivity...you know nothing! You have had no experiences in life to make you an expert or a authority on anything! |
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yorbcbud
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Joined: 17 Feb 2006
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Location: Сорренто, Британская Колумбия, Канада
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..don't tell me about insensitivity... |
Somebody has to. Otherwise, you'll continue to make rude statements. You've proven yourself to be a superficial person. I hope that works for you in your old age, when looks don't matter any more. Good luck with that. |
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MrSpice
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Well being that you are from Canada...how would you know BC...How many blacks are in Sorrento? Have many blacks have you lived with...don't tell me about insensitivity...you know nothing! You have had no experiences in life to make you an expert or a authority on anything! |
Well, I live in New York and read a lot about the US and follow the news here. And here I tend to agree with yorbcbud. I think you underestimate the difficulties a typical black kid living in the project would have growing up and getting decent education to even have any kind of opportunity to succeed.
The reality is that most schools in the US to a large extent get funded by the localities (usually, counties + state funds). So, poorer districts have fewer resources and have a really hard time attracting qualified teachers. So imagine living in a poor, dirty, unsafe neighborhood where the schools also suck. It compounds the problem. And it does not concern black kids, but any poor neighborhood (including poor Mexican neighborhoods in Cali) |
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surfguy
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Joined: 13 Apr 2006
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| MrSpice wrote: | | surfguy wrote: |
Well being that you are from Canada...how would you know BC...How many blacks are in Sorrento? Have many blacks have you lived with...don't tell me about insensitivity...you know nothing! You have had no experiences in life to make you an expert or a authority on anything! |
Well, I live in New York and read a lot about the US and follow the news here. And here I tend to agree with yorbcbud. I think you underestimate the difficulties a typical black kid living in the project would have growing up and getting decent education to even have any kind of opportunity to succeed.
The reality is that most schools in the US to a large extent get funded by the localities (usually, counties + state funds). So, poorer districts have fewer resources and have a really hard time attracting qualified teachers. So imagine living in a poor, dirty, unsafe neighborhood where the schools also suck. It compounds the problem. And it does not concern black kids, but any poor neighborhood (including poor Mexican neighborhoods in Cali) |
spice education starts in the home...and opportunities start with the individual. People who play the victim role never get ahead in life. Yes I do think that people are products of thier environments...half of my childhood I grew up in Oakland California...70% black and poor neigborhood. The reality is...those who want to succeed...do so. And it all boils down to lifestyle choices. I have had way to many black, hispanic, asian, white, etc etc as friends and who have become very successful. I'm sure you have too being that you live in New York. It's all a matter of what people want in life. Hey school systems suck everywhere. With few exceptions. Hawaii is a prime example. Tell me this...how does one who is a foriegner...coming from Russia...such as yourself...make it in New York? |
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MrSpice
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The reality is...those who want to succeed...do so. And it all boils down to lifestyle choices. Tell me this...how does one who is a foriegner...coming from Russia...such as yourself...make it in New York? |
The point is that many of those poor families living in inner city neighborhoods are not as knowledgeable and as ambitious as you or me. So you need to have a strong education system to instill in kids something that their parents could not. You start with the assumption that success begins at home - and you're right. Those kids that grow up in a good family can probably go to a bad school and still become successful. Let's assume you have people living in terrible conditions of the housing projects. Their parents are not ambitious and have lived off welfare for many years. What do we do - just assume that they will keep failing? It's been shown in many studies that good education and good teachers have enormous influence on children. I think increasing teacher's pay would help all of us. I think it's a good investment in our common future and is worth much less than the Iraq war.
I had very good teachers in my school in St Petersburg, Russia. And I see some schools in my neighborhood in New York that get very poor reviews for their academics. So most people that have money give their kids to private schools. I don't think it's a good situation. |
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surfguy
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| You are right spice...and i have no disagreement. My school although it was affluent...it didn't have much money. Where as in the other cities...those schools in the poorer neighborhoods...they had far greater budgets. I went to public schools all the way up into college. And there lots of kids I knew were from very deprived communities. In the military I was with so many people who were from all walks of life and backgrounds. It does start in the home...that's my point and it is true. |
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RusskiCanadian23
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Joined: 27 Mar 2007
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Location: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada/Ванкувер, Британская Колумбия, Канада
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Well, the school I went to, we had a Principal, mr. Vadim Alexeevich Baranov. What I remember about him, is that he pounded one thing into us, little bastards: RESPECT. Respect for him, the Principal. Respect for the teachers. Respect toward all adults. Well, he didn't have to ask for respect. He was a GPW vet, and we were taught to honour those from early childhood. But I had trouble respecting some of the teachers though... Sometimes it felt like they were out to get me.
But that is what my school taught me: that I have to respect other people, and respect myself.
Another thing I learned from my family. Our family wasn't a rich one. In fact not many people in the USSR were. But, we had enough to get by, and we didn't ask for more. One day, I asked my father, "Papa, are the Americans richer then us, Soviet people?". "They may have more money then we do, son", he told me, "but our people have something they'll never take from us: our pride and honour!".
And, no offence, Surfey, it was true: you see, all an average American cared about, was, and still is, how to buy a new car and that kind of stuff. Materialistic values. What we (the Soviet people) cared about was much more: we cared about the world, the kids my age dreamed about flying into space like Yuri Gagarin, or exploring the Polar North with one of the Expeditions! And not how we are going to get a new Ford Mustang when we are sixteen!
That is what I learned from my father: pride. Satisfaction with what you have. Resisting greed. Being a man, basically.
And from my time in the morpeh, I learned the value of true friendship, camraderie, helping each other out. Working as a team.
You see, a human being evolves after its birth, and this evolution happens in several "steps". These were my "steps". |
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surfguy
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| absolutely Russkii...good points and good values for sure. And yes you are right. But keep in mind...Americans...many work hard for what they have. I grew up poor initially and then well...middle class...and I watch my parents work very hard for what they have now. |
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StephenB.
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| MrSpice wrote: | | surfguy wrote: |
The reality is...those who want to succeed...do so. And it all boils down to lifestyle choices. Tell me this...how does one who is a foriegner...coming from Russia...such as yourself...make it in New York? |
The point is that many of those poor families living in inner city neighborhoods are not as knowledgeable and as ambitious as you or me. So you need to have a strong education system to instill in kids something that their parents could not. You start with the assumption that success begins at home - and you're right. Those kids that grow up in a good family can probably go to a bad school and still become successful. Let's assume you have people living in terrible conditions of the housing projects. Their parents are not ambitious and have lived off welfare for many years. What do we do - just assume that they will keep failing? It's been shown in many studies that good education and good teachers have enormous influence on children. I think increasing teacher's pay would help all of us. I think it's a good investment in our common future and is worth much less than the Iraq war.
I had very good teachers in my school in St Petersburg, Russia. And I see some schools in my neighborhood in New York that get very poor reviews for their academics. So most people that have money give their kids to private schools. I don't think it's a good situation. |
Spice what part of NYC do you live in? |
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HomesoulUS
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| I saw them on Soul Train many years ago. Loved the song. |
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HomesoulUS
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| Russia not the paradise like it was during the Czars and Soviets. People like Jimmy Winkfield,Paul Robeston,and others had great treatment. But today most Russians don't like Blacks. They don't want to believe that Pushkin has black blood in him. Kentucky is a little safe for Blacks than Russia because the police is not as corrupt like in most Russian cities. |
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MrSpice
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| HomesoulUS wrote: | | Russia not the paradise like it was during the Czars and Soviets. People like Jimmy Winkfield,Paul Robeston,and others had great treatment. But today most Russians don't like Blacks. They don't want to believe that Pushkin has black blood in him. Kentucky is a little safe for Blacks than Russia because the police is not as corrupt like in most Russian cities. |
I agree 100% with that. |
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