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Cheburatorr
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 Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:52 pm Post subject: Russian Visa, Dual Citizenship, Travel Agencies vs Consulate |
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Hi, I was wondering if someone could shed some light on this. It is my understanding that if you were born in Russia but left before 1992 you're not a citizen of Russia but still have to provide proof of this when applying for visa. If you left after 1992, you are a citizen no matter what, and will not get a Russian visa unless you renounce your citizenship.
Now, I left as a kid with my parents after 1992. I never had my own internal or foreign Russian passport. I am a US citizen now and have been for a while. I think i'm still registered somewhere in my home city in Russia, since my relatives still get notices for me to be in army once in a while. However, I've applied for visa with travel agencies before and always have gotten a visa. I put down the real year I left russia on the application and also the fact that US Passport is only one i've ever been issued by anyone. So I'm wondering what the deal is? WOuld i be refused a visa if I went to the consulate myself? How do travel agencies are then able to get me visas? Do they have some kind of "arrangement" with consulates? This is very intersting to me since I dont know if I should or can get a Russian passport, since the only russian thing I have proving my identity is my birth certificate, and no way or proving when I left or anything else. Or, do they Russian authrotiies not consider me a citizen at all since i'm not in any internal databases and never had any kind of Russian passport?
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vox16
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:52 pm Post subject: Re: Russian Visa, Dual Citizenship, Travel Agencies vs Consu |
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| Cheburatorr wrote: | I think i'm still registered somewhere in my home city in Russia, since my relatives still get notices for me to be in army once in a while. However, I've applied for visa with travel agencies before and always have gotten a visa.
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Or, do they Russian authrotiies not consider me a citizen at all since i'm not in any internal databases and never had any kind of Russian passport?
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They do consider you as a citizen, because you are one. As there is no unified databese one can certainly say that you are in local registration office' database ( as it were they who informed army guys about everybody eligible ). |
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Cheburatorr
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So then how am I able to get a visa every time?
Maybe since i didnt tell any officials I was leaving Russia for good, my name is in just some file in local ZAGS, and when my 18th b-day came up, they automtically send u a notice for the army. But am I still technically a citizen or no? |
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goDutch
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| Cheburatorr, technically you are a Russian citizen. You got visas to Russia, because the consulate did not pay attention to the rule. It happens. Do not be surprised if next time they refuse to issue your visa. |
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Cheburatorr
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| Yeah, i think you are right. I thought so too since I was born there. However the problem now is how to get a russian passport. I have a russian birth certificate, but thats about it. I never had a russian passport, my parent's USSR passports are long expired and I have no idea where they even are. I know there is a page in my mom's passport with my old, old photo and information about me. But this is all I have to prove that I am a Russian citizen, aside from that fact that it says "born in Russia" (god, I wish it didnt say that, would make things so much easier) in my US Passport. So I really have no idea how to get a Russian passport from the consulate. I am going to russia soon on a visa, but I dont even know how I could go about getting a passport in Russia since i'd be on US passport and I dont want them to know I have a visa even though I'm techincally a russian citizen, and I'm only going for 2 weeks so that wont be enough time to get anything done anyway. Any ideas anyone? Are there any documents I could perhaps get from relatives that would help me get a passport in the US? |
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goDutch
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| Why don't you ask the local Russian consulate whether they can help you? At least they should explain what you are supposed to do. |
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sanscoda
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| Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:54 pm Post subject: US citizen, left Russia < 15yrs old after 1992 |
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I'm in the same predicament, does anyone have any wisdom or a reliable internet resource?
My family emigrated from the Russian Federation after 1992, so all I have is a Soviet birth certificate and a page in my mom's expired Russian passport.
To avoid any issues with the military draft, I would feel safest renouncing my Russian citizenship. But I cannot get the required passport without a прописка. Abiding by this red tape would take possibly more than a year: to get a passport, renounce citizenship, apply for a visa...not to mention the cost!
I worry that as a male aged 18<x<27 with Country of Birth=Russia in my US passport, I'm asking for trouble. My aunt traveled in 1999 as a US citizen and was harrassed and made to report daily during her visit to be interrogated regarding her lack of patriotism.
Stuck in a rut where Russia considers me a citizen, but I don't have enough proof that I'm a citizen to renounce my citizenship! |
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