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sleepyweasel
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 Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject: What are my options? |
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Sorry, need a little help and for some reason this forum is only allowing me to view the first page of posts 
I'm planning to move to Moscow and study russian for 2 months, before looking for work. The language school says it can only give me an invitation covering the actual dates I will be studying with them.
I figure I will need 3 months minimum to study, then find work. So it looks like my only real option is a 3 month business visa, and then if I don't manage to find a job, I'll have to go home
A multi-entry is no good for me because I'd have to leave after 3 months anyway. Can anyone suggest any other option?
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BELS
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You need to find a work contract from a company who can legally give you the invitation, so that you can get a visa with a work permit.
Otherwise it's no go. Are you really interested in studying or are really sincerely looking for a job. If so you have taken the wron path. Can you not find a job in Russia from your own country. Because that's the best way to ensure you get the full package fro your employer, including flight, accommadation, visa support, health cover etc.
What kind of job are you looking for? teaching? |
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sleepyweasel
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:49 am Post subject: |
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I'm going to moscow primarily to get a job, but as I speak no Russian I want to at least learn the basics first - so I figured 2-3 months full time studying russian first. My career is in IT so I'm hoping to get an IT job that doesn't require fluent Russian.
If I'm watching out for/applying for jobs while I'm studying, and find something that'll get me sponsorship that I can apply for a work visa while I'm over there right? Or would I need to take a week out of the country while it gets sorted?
And as for flights, accomodation etc it's not really an issue as I have plenty of funds.
Thanks, appreciate your advice |
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BELS
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I'm no expert on IT. I can understand you wanting to learn Russian, you have two paths.
One is to search for the job in your own country as your first priority. I'm assuming you are from a rich Western country with many corporate companies of your nationality in your country?
By applying from your own country you will have the benefit of having a, full package of an employment package including accomadation, flight etc.
Seeking locally from any local company, I'm afraid you won't get much response, the income will be low, and they may well demand fluency in Russian. Corporate companies applying from your own company is your best bet. And then think about learning Russian.
If you do go the path of coming as a student you won't have the right to work, and if you get a contract from a company who does have the right to employ foreigners, you will have to return to your own country and apply for a work visa, and hopefully you will have the official invitation from this company to apply for the appropriate visa. |
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vox16
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| sleepyweasel wrote: | | I'm going to moscow primarily to get a job, but as I speak no Russian I want to at least learn the basics first - so I figured 2-3 months full time studying russian first. My career is in IT so I'm hoping to get an IT job that doesn't require fluent Russian. |
But what kind of job can it be that 1) do not require interaction with customers in Russian 2)they(employer) absolutely can't find person of that type locally? I can understand a situation where a western company performing some operations here and transferring one of its employees here as a 2nd/3rd level supervisor to control local guys. But in a situation without such requirements? Or he has some very specific skills and employer has some specific position? |
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danbrew
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The bottom line, with apologies to the OP, is that he is not going to find a solution such as he describes. The others have said it better than I can - why would a Russian firm hire you when they can hire a local graduate who is fluent and completely understands the culture/nuances of Russian life? They won't. Your best bet is to find an American firm (or your home country - assuming American) that does business in Russia and work to discover what type of expat positions and packages they have in place. You might find that you have to go and get a job at that particular company in the US and work there for a few years before they are sufficiently awed by your performance to offer you a remote position in a foreign country.
Many (most?) expat positions are at a fairly senior level within the firm - they are going to want people who have a demonstrated record of success working on their own with little supervision. You may have all of that, but you don't have that with the firm that would be hiring you.
I'd suggest that you travel to Russia first to see if you like it (perhaps you have - I can't tell from your post), take some classes, then work on having somebody else put you in place in Russia instead of trying to do it all on your own.
Would love to hear the outcome, btw. I know my posts sounds a tad bit negative... but I temper it with 20+ years of international business experience.
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darthvader
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Sleepyweasel
Another option would be to enagage in some charitable volunteer work in Russia, via a Western organisation. After forking out the costs for your air travel (if necessary), you may be fed, watered and sheltered (for free) and may even get Russian language lessons.
These organisations will help you sort out the visa issues.
If you research carefully, there are such organisations, projects ranging from remedial environmental work, to working with orphans, to teaching. I've seen programs ranging from 1 week to several months.
You won't make lots of money, but will of course benefit from the cultural immersion, broadening your skills and experiences. Your Russian language skills can only improve.
So, if one wasn't so busy, this would be a great way to see the world.
Perhaps this is the best starting strategy for you. Through the contacts you make, other opportunites may flow later. |
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BELS
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First step must be to search for a job on your computer, in the comfort of your own country and home. International companies are used to giving telephone interviews. And at least they will give you the whole package, with the right work visa.
Don' come to this country just for the sake of looking for a job.
An easy job to find in Russia would be as an English teacherre in a language cent, where you would be provided with a work visa, accomadation, flight reimbursement etc. |
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BELS
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| darthvader wrote: | Sleepyweasel
Another option would be to enagage in some charitable volunteer work in Russia, via a Western organisation. After forking out the costs for your air travel (if necessary), you may be fed, watered and sheltered (for free) and may even get Russian language lessons.
These organisations will help you sort out the visa issues.
If you research carefully, there are such organisations, projects ranging from remedial environmental work, to working with orphans, to teaching. I've seen programs ranging from 1 week to several months.
You won't make lots of money, but will of course benefit from the cultural immersion, broadening your skills and experiences. Your Russian language skills can only improve.
So, if one wasn't so busy, this would be a great way to see the world.
Perhaps this is the best starting strategy for you. Through the contacts you make, other opportunites may flow later. |
Why volunteer to teach English, when there is plenty of demand around for yoy to get paid properly |
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darthvader
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Yes, that's true. However, paid properly?  How much $$$$ are we talking about here? At least $75,000/year? |
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BELS
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| darthvader wrote: | | Yes, that's true. However, paid properly? How much $$$$ are we talking about here? At least $75,000/year? |
For a beginner coming not a lot. $15 an hour, a flat shared with another teacher, flight re-imbursement and visa support. As a beginner be careful and only go for the established schools such as Language Link and BKC. For BKC you will need to study for a celta, which takes a month of study and costs about £1,000. You can take this course at BKC
For an experienced teacher and resident of Russia, yes it's possible to earn the £££££s as a freelancer or private teacher of groups. |
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darthvader
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| BELS wrote: | | darthvader wrote: | | Yes, that's true. However, paid properly? How much $$$$ are we talking about here? At least $75,000/year? |
For a beginner coming not a lot. $15 an hour...... |
Stuff that Poor old Sleepyweasel would be better off doing volunteer work and being fed borsch and pelmeni by the bucket-load (for free) at some volunteers' abroad group camp.
I jest.  "If" he can get 30 hours/week of teaching at this rate, he is doing "very well" compared to most Russians. Still, if based in Moscow, the cash can burn very quickly.......... |
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