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007India Frequent Guest
Joined: 13 Dec 2007 Posts: 70
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:50 pm Post subject: Indians outperformed USAF F15E |
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"In the just finished exercise, IAF pilots shot down all the four F15Es on the first day itself. Both in the offensive and in the defensive sorties, IAF pilots did very well against USAF."
The USAF dominated BVR combat, whereas the Indians had a 4 to 1 kill ratio in dogfighting.
"But, the Americans did not field their F22s or F16s. While F16 could not have done better, F22 could. They may test it in the future. Russians fighting USA? It may never happen. The only other way to check how good the Russian fighters are, US-India joint exercise is the only way to find out. The best reason is that the IAF pilots are not inferior to Russians and hence, if USAF pilots can shoot down SU-30, then they can very well shoot them even while handled by the Russians. But, ofcourse, Russians have better planes than SU-30, which may outperform F22?"
The F-16s would have performed better at close range than the F-15s, worse at long range. The Russians DO NOT field better planes than the Su-30mk. It is the most advanced version of the Flanker series, and more advanced than anything in service with the Russian air force.
Indians outperformed USAF F15E 2/27/2004 1:56:07 PM Hi folks,
Read this: "They performed very well. I think in most cases they were equal to us, superior in some aspects. So it was a very good learning experience for both sides. It was a very tough scenario on all days, the pilot skill levels were also equal a lot of times. It felt like we were fighting ourselves, when we were fighting the Indian Air Force guys," said Captain Vogel, US 19 Squadron.
It appeared at http://www.ndtv.com/morenews/showmorestory.asp?slug=Indo-US+Air+Force+exercise+ends&id=49559.
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1127810/posts |
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gomer WayToRussified
Joined: 30 Mar 2007 Posts: 410
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:12 am Post subject: Re: Indians outperformed USAF F15E |
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| 007India wrote: | | Russians fighting USA? |
Not counting 'proxy wars', there might be something left to shoot at after all the nukes have fallen, maybe. |
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007India Frequent Guest
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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Regarding nukes, they respect nuclear disarmament treaty. Now USSR rockets are used for International Space Station flights and already lot of European spacecrafts are launched my USSR. Now USA might think some "thanks giving day" type concept to promote their business.
What so left, they got the most powerful drop bombs in earth. |
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darthvader WayToRussified
Joined: 09 Dec 2005 Posts: 363
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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The USSR dissolved ages ago, old son. 1991, to be exact.
I think Indian curry outperforms American hotdogs too! Has that little bit of extra zip. Although added American mustard leaves that sensational aftertaste. But, have you tried the Russian borsch yet? |
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007India Frequent Guest
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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ya! I know that. But the artilleries used in the latest exercise are dating to that time.
Even in the last war many F-16 supplied by US to pak are downed by Indian side of Soviet fighters. In the recent Iraq war, many fighter aircrafts are downed for several days due to various issues. Uncle sam has to concentrate on quality rather than spending time with pizza's. |
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jo jo 7 Lounge Wizard
Joined: 05 Nov 2006 Posts: 3184 Location: Louisville,Kentucky
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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| 007India wrote: | ya! I know that. But the artilleries used in the latest exercise are dating to that time.
Even in the last war many F-16 supplied by US to pak are downed by Indian side of Soviet fighters. In the recent Iraq war, many fighter aircrafts are downed for several days due to various issues. Uncle sam has to concentrate on quality rather than spending time with pizza's. |
I think every military in the world has some bad quality aircrafts, but the USA will spend $$$$ on aircrafts that you can not hear, won't show up on radar and these aircrafts know a enemy plane is coming 100 miles away.
Pizza's? You are too much 007....
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darthvader WayToRussified
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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| 007India wrote: | | .....Uncle sam has to concentrate on quality rather than spending time with pizza's. |
Pizzas are far nicer than pappadums though, don't you think? However, have you tried the new Indian tandoori pizza? 007India, I have no idea why you liquidated that old double agent, doubleOBS, since you still sing the same old tune regarding the land of Uncle Sam. Surely, after your trip to Russia, why not check out USA? Not just to test out the US BVR combat systems! |
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007India Frequent Guest
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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Pizza is termed here as something made out of plastic material used for packaging as pizzas has no nutrients inside as recommended by dietician. our local govt has banned use of coke and pepsi in institutions as they are no better than a sewage water added with ice and sugar.
pappadum is a north indian addon equivalent to chips. here in south india we use appalam which is for good digestion, appalam is a addon you can see in restaurants 100%. if you have "saravana bhavan" hotel near to your place, go for full meals in week ends. you will really love it. but its strictly vegetarian.
Here in INDIA 00x is more famous than hollywood tom cruise or any other hero. also 00x movies are good. but only thing is, every time they talk bad about russians which i really hate. I don't have any reservations about some one. I treat them all alike and some one more special.
Regarding my trip to USA, i don't have a security clearence. atleast minimum H1 visa is required for me to enter there. I may try with russia. russian space technology is coming back to full swing.
again for US combat systems, US fighters have sophisticated electronic gadgets, but all are vulnerable to attack. even in the recent iraq war US bombed iraq from 40000 feet at night. its some thing like throwing a egg filled with acid from 100th floor of a building.
for radars Israel is good, avionics France, structures russia. |
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Miami WayToRussified
Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 332
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| I am opposed to spending the taxpayers dollars on big military gadgets and gizmos and whatnot. They just do that to make the defense contractors rich. It's just a big racket. |
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007India Frequent Guest
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 8:59 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | am opposed to spending the taxpayers dollars on big military gadgets and gizmos and whatnot. They just do that to make the defense contractors rich. It's just a big racket. |
I agree 100%. not only that, may are framed as WMD, terrorist and brutally murdered. The iraqi war is one among the example. Its a sham |
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mister_wizzz VIP
Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 548
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| 007India wrote: | Here in INDIA 00x is more famous than hollywood tom cruise or any other hero. also 00x movies are good. but only thing is, every time they talk bad about russians which i really hate. I don't have any reservations about some one. I treat them all alike and some one more special.
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007 agent is a character, Tom Cruise is an actor. It is like saying that Spiderman is more famous in France than Gérard Depardieu...
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again for US combat systems, US fighters have sophisticated electronic gadgets, but all are vulnerable to attack. even in the recent iraq war US bombed iraq from 40000 feet at night. its some thing like throwing a egg filled with acid from 100th floor of a building.
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It is not WWII time anymore. US bombs even dropped from from 40 000 feet at night explode on the right point because guided by satellites.
Your comparison with the egg thrown from the 100th floor is ridiculous.
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for radars Israel is good, avionics France, structures russia. |
Not only avionics but radar and structure as well. Just see what a 100% french fighter like the Rafale is able to do (I guess you already know). |
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mister_wizzz VIP
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Miami wrote: | | I am opposed to spending the taxpayers dollars on big military gadgets and gizmos and whatnot. They just do that to make the defense contractors rich. It's just a big racket. |
both Internet network, GPS navigation are originally military programs. |
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007India Frequent Guest
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | 007 agent is a character, Tom Cruise is an actor. It is like saying that Spiderman is more famous in France than Gérard Depardieu... |
yes, i do agree. here movies are not classified like FICTION, DRAMA or ACTION. Every 007 movie is a hit here doesn't matter if its ridiculous to watch. But very few hollywood based movies succeed. special movies like Harry potter series also will be HIT.
| Quote: | | both Internet network, GPS navigation are originally military programs. |
yes, just to frighten the outside world they are made. like japenese bombing in world war.
| Quote: | | It is not WWII time anymore. US bombs even dropped from from 40 000 feet at night explode on the right point because guided by satellites. |
war at night is against to ethics. some rules of war as our sacred books preach
1) war during dawn and dusk should be prohibited
2) war zone must not include any civilian properties & animals
3) war must be declared, no sudden appearance
4) both should have weapons
5) at the end of war, the ruler who wons should take of the families of the killed ones of both sides.
what is the need to fight at night timings, may be because they got frightened with the guerrillas. any GPS equipment can be jammed easily.
| Quote: | | Not only avionics but radar and structure as well. Just see what a 100% french fighter like the Rafale is able to do |
may be, but no warfare can match russian fighters, for electronic warfare Israel is the best. |
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