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EricP
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 Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 4:24 am Post subject: How are Russian People Reacting to Bush's Missles in Poland? |
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It is obvious from the news that the leaders of Russia are very upset about the missles. What about the people? Are there demonstrations? Hostility to Americans? Today after Russia unfortunately fell for the Georgian provocation the Poles finally agreed to the missles under heavy Bush pressure. And Bush gave Poland a security guarantee against Russia. 
Are the common people of Russia as upset as Americans were when the Cuban missle crisis was made public in 1962? What is the mood in Moscow? |
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Voyager
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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| The funny thing is , that if Russia had'nt smashed its way into Georgia , that missile sheild only had a slim chance of being accepted , now post Russia - Georgia everyone wants U.S. missiles in their countries , could the Kremlin have shot itself in the foot on this one? |
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Ender
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:25 am Post subject: Re: How are Russian People Reacting to Bush's Missles in Pol |
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| EricP wrote: | It is obvious from the news that the leaders of Russia are very upset about the missles. What about the people? Are there demonstrations? Hostility to Americans? Today after Russia unfortunately fell for the Georgian provocation the Poles finally agreed to the missles under heavy Bush pressure. And Bush gave Poland a security guarantee against Russia.
Are the common people of Russia as upset as Americans were when the Cuban missle crisis was made public in 1962? What is the mood in Moscow? |
It was very clear from the beginning that radar & missiles near Russian borders are against Russia. I don't think that there will be demonstrations but people are upset by such unfriendly moves.
Interesting. Is it possible to jam this radar? Even theoretically. |
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jo-jo-7
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| I got news for you people, Russia has had their missiles pointing at Poland now for sometime. Don't you know that? |
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jo-jo-7
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| Voyager wrote: | | The funny thing is , that if Russia had'nt smashed its way into Georgia , that missile sheild only had a slim chance of being accepted , now post Russia - Georgia everyone wants U.S. missiles in their countries , could the Kremlin have shot itself in the foot on this one? |
I think the Kremlin shot itself in the foot.... |
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jo-jo-7
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:42 pm Post subject: Re: How are Russian People Reacting to Bush's Missles in Pol |
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| EricP wrote: | It is obvious from the news that the leaders of Russia are very upset about the missles. What about the people? Are there demonstrations? Hostility to Americans? Today after Russia unfortunately fell for the Georgian provocation the Poles finally agreed to the missles under heavy Bush pressure. And Bush gave Poland a security guarantee against Russia.
Are the common people of Russia as upset as Americans were when the Cuban missle crisis was made public in 1962? What is the mood in Moscow? |
Hmm, where did you here that Bush gave Poland a security guarantee against Russia? Are you getting your information from CNN or HLN? Those news channels are wrong most of the time. They can't even get the weather right. It would be snowing right in front of them and they would say it's sunny and 100 degrees. |
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Voyager
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Believe it or not , I actually believe the U.S. when they say that the sheild is intended for protection from rogue states like Iran , and not intended for use against Russia (and I dont believe much that comes from the White House these days).
The new isolinear hyper radar systems can not (so far) be completely jammed , however it is possible to interfere with them at close range , only drawback to this is that it is also capable of locating interference to within 5 cms and destroying it with a wide-beam EMP |
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EricP
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:38 am Post subject: Please focus on my original question |
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JoJo, you seem to have issues about Russia. I'm sorry, I didn't cause them, I hope no-one on this forum caused them, and I hope someday a Russian apologizes to your satisfaction. I most particularly do not want Russia bashing on this thread. That's not why I created it, read on.
You other two guys kind of dovetail in much kinder words with an offline reply I got from a work colleague, PhD type, when I asked "is it safe for me to visit in 2 weeks?" He proceeded to launch into a broken English diatribe about Bush, how Russia was going to reply with missles in Havanna and Algiers, threw out a bunch of technical details about missles to protect Russia (this kid taught himself English watching subtitled movies, who am I to argue about "popular scientinsky" stuff?) He then assures me that no Russian would just hate an average Joe American, But then again, he is no average Ivan Russian, has a PhD and has travelled here, and is a personal freind.
OK so here's what I want to know. Refusing a rotation in Russia would be a career limiting move. On the other hand, I'd be alone 2 weeks in a downtown Moscow rental apartment. We had a guy 6 months ago, a smoker concerned about not polluting the apartment, talking outside on his cell to the US and having to flee hoodlums wanting to mug (or worse) him. I'm a big guy myself, but I'm only one. Obviously I wouldn't talk English outside but I'm concerned, maybe by myself or with another less sensitive American -- get in physical trouble.
I'm very aware of the level of patriotism in Russia, having once taken the Patriarshy Dom tour to Borodino and toured the museum in Moscow at Victory park.
I'd really appreciate replies from concerned Russians or in-country expats about how the public is reacting to Bush's recent actions.
Thanks,
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Ender
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:49 am Post subject: Re: Please focus on my original question |
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| EricP wrote: | I'm very aware of the level of patriotism in Russia, having once taken the Patriarshy Dom tour to Borodino and toured the museum in Moscow at Victory park.
I'd really appreciate replies from concerned Russians or in-country expats about how the public is reacting to Bush's recent actions. |
The reaction is very negative, however I don't think that anybody will harass to you. I think after few months everything will be forgotten. |
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jo-jo-7
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:47 am Post subject: Re: Please focus on my original question |
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| EricP wrote: | JoJo, you seem to have issues about Russia. I'm sorry, I didn't cause them, I hope no-one on this forum caused them, and I hope someday a Russian apologizes to your satisfaction. I most particularly do not want Russia bashing on this thread. That's not why I created it, read on.
You other two guys kind of dovetail in much kinder words with an offline reply I got from a work colleague, PhD type, when I asked "is it safe for me to visit in 2 weeks?" He proceeded to launch into a broken English diatribe about Bush, how Russia was going to reply with missles in Havanna and Algiers, threw out a bunch of technical details about missles to protect Russia (this kid taught himself English watching subtitled movies, who am I to argue about "popular scientinsky" stuff?) He then assures me that no Russian would just hate an average Joe American, But then again, he is no average Ivan Russian, has a PhD and has travelled here, and is a personal freind.
OK so here's what I want to know. Refusing a rotation in Russia would be a career limiting move. On the other hand, I'd be alone 2 weeks in a downtown Moscow rental apartment. We had a guy 6 months ago, a smoker concerned about not polluting the apartment, talking outside on his cell to the US and having to flee hoodlums wanting to mug (or worse) him. I'm a big guy myself, but I'm only one. Obviously I wouldn't talk English outside but I'm concerned, maybe by myself or with another less sensitive American -- get in physical trouble.
I'm very aware of the level of patriotism in Russia, having once taken the Patriarshy Dom tour to Borodino and toured the museum in Moscow at Victory park.
I'd really appreciate replies from concerned Russians or in-country expats about how the public is reacting to Bush's recent actions.
Thanks,
EricP |
No one is bashing on this thread. I'm dating a Russian..I don't have issues with Russia and no apology needed. Don't be sensitive and come on this forum and think no one is going to have a disagreement about what is going on in Russia. You are new, get used to it. lol |
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Voyager
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Indeed , internet forums are not a place to be sensative  whilst you get arseholes everywhere , I doubt that the average Russian would be openly hostile towards anyone without good cause , and besides if you simply tell them that your government does not represent your views , most Russians can relate to this as I suspect they largely feel the same way about theirs.
Every country in the world has street crime , and in every country tourists/forigners are seen as soft targets for thugs , but if you respect the Russian people for who they are you will have to go a long long way to find a nicer , warmer people.
From my time in Russia , I found that my Irish accent is not well known in Russia and as such until I tell people I'm Irish their first impression has been that I'm American (not sure weather to be insulted or not ) and I've had no problems in Russia , so long as you dont cause trouble , be polite and remember where you are I dont think you'd have many problems.
If not going to Russia would damage your career , then go to Russia , I garrantee this much , one way or another it will be the trip of a lifetime |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 12:46 pm Post subject: Re: How are Russian People Reacting to Bush's Missles in Pol |
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| EricP wrote: | | And Bush gave Poland a security guarantee against Russia. |
Poland would get much stronger security guarantee if they stood neutral after the fall of the Soviet block, like Sweden or Finland. With those missiles they're at risk of being smashed first, *before* anyone else. Pawns come in play first, you know.
| EricP wrote: | | Are the common people of Russia as upset as Americans were when the Cuban missle crisis was made public in 1962? What is the mood in Moscow? |
No, after WW1, revolution, civil war, Stalin's industrialization, WW2, post-war criminal uprising, western economical isolation and "feudalism" of the soviet bosses and, finally, Shock-therapy of the 90's common people of Russia doesn't tend to think about tomorrow because they know that they will lose their property and their life some day. It even seems like people avoid building long-term solid roads and bridges because these will be eventually bombed or used by occupational forces. In the other side, however, people don't think about war: war will be *tomorrow*, and if you're thinking about war you just ruin your own mood *today*. |
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EricP
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 5:53 am Post subject: Thanks for your thoughts all 4 of you |
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 Have any of you spent a lot of time in Russia recently (or currently are in-country)? I'm trying to get a sense for the level of anti-americanism caused by events of the last two weeks. I am a senior specialist striving for expert recognition in an obscure oilfield technology and might be able to achieve this in the next two to six weeks, unless I get crippled in a mugging (or arrested!) I am a large athletic man, but, I know I am only one guy and am at the mercy of large groups who are notoriously merciless.
For my own part, I am tireless in advising politically active freinds to "write their congressmen" to shut down what the nitwit neocons are attempting. Isolating Russia because of it's unfortunate response to the Georgian provocation. Neocons are, simply, mad and may well kill us all before this is over.
Thx
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Absurd
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:15 am Post subject: Re: Thanks for your thoughts all 4 of you |
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| EricP wrote: | | :shock: Have any of you spent a lot of time in Russia recently (or currently are in-country)? I'm trying to get a sense for the level of anti-americanism caused by events of the last two weeks. I am a senior specialist striving for expert recognition in an obscure oilfield technology and might be able to achieve this in the next two to six weeks, unless I get crippled in a mugging (or arrested!) I am a large athletic man, but, I know I am only one guy and am at the mercy of large groups who are notoriously merciless. |
No, it's *enormous* exaggeration. Russian Anti-Americanism is even weaker than Euro-Liberal one 2 my mind. Common Russians think that recent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are mistakes of geopolitical concurrent - no hate is involved in this matter, just malicious joy because Saddam Hussein was American Anti-Soviet puppet in the 80's; So was Taliban in Afghanistan.
And about Georgia... very small percent of people wants South Ossetia in Russian Federation - it's just another source of problems; However, ability to defend allies is a matter of prestige. If Russian authorities allowed Georgia to commit repressions against Ossetians (traditional allies of Russian policy in Caucasus) this would cause another war in Northern Caucasus because doing so Russia show weakness and Caucasian natives don't like this. However, Russians understand that America has its own interests and allies in this region.
BTW Russian likes American movies, respect American business grip. Youth likes Futurama and Simpsons. I don't think Russian are Anti-Americanists. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:40 am Post subject: Re: Thanks for your thoughts all 4 of you |
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| Absurd wrote: | No, it's *enormous* exaggeration. Russian Anti-Americanism is even weaker than Euro-Liberal one 2 my mind. Common Russians think that recent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are mistakes of geopolitical concurrent - no hate is involved in this matter, just malicious joy because Saddam Hussein was American Anti-Soviet puppet in the 80's; So was Taliban in Afghanistan.
And about Georgia... very small percent of people wants South Ossetia in Russian Federation - it's just another source of problems; However, ability to defend allies is a matter of prestige. If Russian authorities allowed Georgia to commit repressions against Ossetians (traditional allies of Russian policy in Caucasus) this would cause another war in Northern Caucasus because doing so Russia show weakness and Caucasian natives don't like this. However, Russians understand that America has its own interests and allies in this region.
BTW Russian likes American movies, respect American business grip. Youth likes Futurama and Simpsons. I don't think Russian are Anti-Americanists. |
+1, except that more and more people watch Anime.  |
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