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MelissaCato
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Paul Holmes
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Originally , Russia had to take over Ossetia, because the Georgia cold not handle it. Ossetia is run by warlords who were earning money from arm dealing and drugs. Everyone in Russia know that this path is a major drug path to Russia and illegal weapons. Russia pushed to put more forces in Ossetia to stop weapons to comeback to the Chechnyans.
But that conflict is minor since the death squads from Ramzan Kadyrov have eliminated almost anyone of fighting age.
Since Georgia pissed off Russia and helped influence Ukraine in the Orange Revolution, Russia sponsored these warlords to attack Georgian villages. Georgia complained and asked for the west to help them settle this. The west ignored Georgia pleas and even took troops from Georgia to fight GWB's war in Iraq. Georgia even agreed to have the pipeline placed in their country for the USA. What did Russia do? They banned almost all Georgian products. Making a poorer country even more poor. The west told Georgia that they will help them, but they did nothing. Everytime they promised to do something, they backed off in order to get cheap gas from Russia.
Besides protecting and funding the Warlords in Ossetia, Russia had every right to create economic sanctions against Georgia, kick out Georgian citizens out of Russia, and push the west to abandon them. If the west had any back bone, they would have support Georgia economically. Helped them manage the border so their villages were not attacked. Tried to use their influence to bring a peace agreement in this area.
What did they do? Talk and made useless promises.
Russia are the aggressors, because the west allowed to happen. Just look Rice as she hung her head and could not even look Mikheil Saakashvili in the eye. This war would never happened if Georgia had something the west wanted and thought valuable. Russia wanted to teach Georgia (and the West)a lesson to stay out of their business. They wanted a little revenge also.
Now is the west going to appease once more? I think so. But wait until Barrack lets talk Obama gets in, then things are getting to get worse.
The west have to fight back. When Shell loses the Sakhalin Island through corruption, then they should be able to seize Russian assets outside of Russia for compensation. Rich Dudley(head of TNK-BP) is refused a working Business Visa, then the Oligrachs should be refused ones in the west. Give Japanese passports to the Russians in the Sakhalin Islands. |
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Paul Holmes
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Putin should be concentrating on building the manufacturer industry of Russia. If Russia can turn itself around as manufacturer power house, then they can truly become a super power.
They have the knowledge, resources, and the ability to do so. But things like this, locking up of CEO of Lukos, evictions of Moscovites to build new apartments in Moscow, and seizure of foreign assets, has made Russia look like a very place to do business.
BTW Russia, with present production and proven reserves, they have only 17 years of oil left. They need to explore and take the Arctic. They do not have the technology to drill there and they will also face stiff competition against the USA, Canada, and Denmark for the right in the Arctic.
Too bad the map is draw completely wrong. If you think Azerbaijan will bend over for Israel, then you are wrong. |
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MelissaCato
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Ender
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| Paul Holmes wrote: | | Everyone in Russia know that this path is a major drug path to Russia and illegal weapons. |
Everyone in Russia know that major drug path to Russia go through Tajik-Aughanistan borders. After American invasion into Aughanistan the narco-traffic became FIVE times bigger. Illegal weapons? Sorry, but you talking nonsence. After dissolution of USSR there are wast amounts of weaponry. Seven years ago I was in the businness trip to Vladikavkaz, I had an impression that I can easily buy an AK-74 and bucket of grenades on a bazaar. Easy to buy, but very difficult to move them to the rest of Russia. Year ago my friend was in the businness trip to Vladikavkaz. He said that there was no difference with any other Russian city - I.O.W. it is almost impossible to buy anything like AK machinegun.
It is interesting that you use word "warlords". There were plenty of them in Chechnya and they were primary source of high crime rate in the past years. S. Ossetia shows exactly opposite.
| Paul Holmes wrote: | | The west have to fight back. When Shell loses the Sakhalin Island through corruption, |
... or through pollution of environment?
| Paul Holmes wrote: | | then they should be able to seize Russian assets outside of Russia for compensation. Rich Dudley(head of TNK-BP) is refused a working Business Visa, then the Oligrachs should be refused ones in the west. Give Japanese passports to the Russians in the Sakhalin Islands. |
I'll tell you how U.S. companies make businness in Russia. At least I have some expirience with them. They sign an agreement that they will invest into infrastructure. Instead of this they gather all local old rusty equipment available, buy it cheap and use it. They sign an agreement that they will create workplaces, and they fill these workplaces with their own engineers that don't understand a single word in Russian. They also fill workplaces with language officers. They do nothing. They only supervise, but have ten times bigger salary than Russian engineer. They absolutely don't care about environment. When new oil field starts to give oil there are precise methods to predict oil output. They agree to take part of the extracted oil which going to be bigger than estimated as payment by fixed rate. Then they bribe somebody in Moscow and reduce estimated value by 30%. I don't wonder why Shell has been kicked off.
Back to the topic. "A letter from a friend" taken from certain forum:
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It is with unbearable pain in my heart that I am writing this letter to you. I want to tell you what happened in Ossetia, a place where I grew up and where my family lived until few days ago.
First of all, some historical background. Ossetians are a tiny nation, the only remaining branch of the ancient Alans (Alan is still the most widespread name in Ossetia). Like many other nations, they have a great heritage and great culture.
Historically, Ossetians have co-existed with Georgians. There were mixed marriages, even on a Royal level, the two cultures intertwined. Unfortunately this co-existence has not been peaceful in the 20th century. In 1920s, over 4000 Ossetians were killed by the Georgian Menshevik government. During that terrible ethnic cleansing, my grand-grandfather had lost all his family but managed to save one son (my grandfather) carrying him over the mountains to the relative safety of Russia.
Then came the times of the Soviet Union, when Stalin changed the map and the structure of many small nations in the Caucasus, including Ossetia. Part of Ossetia found itself as Autonomous Region of Georgian SSR. I spent 12 years in Ossetia at the end of the soviet period (1975-1987). Even though I was a child, I could clearly see the unfair treatment, shameful discrimination of South Ossetians by the politicians governing Georgia. Those who lived in Ossetia were quite limited in their rights.
Around 1990, following the collapse of the USSR, Georgian president Gamsakhurdia went even further. He decided to annul the autonomy of South Ossetia, adopt Georgian language as the only official and do other things aimed at annihilating the Ossetian culture and their national identity. Ossetians resisted, but Gamsakhurdia sent in armed men to force the “samachablo” (the Machabeli slaves, as he arrogantly referred to Ossetians). A massacre erupted, with my compatriots tortured and killed, entire villages erased from the face of the earth, the capital city of Tskhinval half-destroyed. Many of my friends have died in that war, trying to protect their families, their land, their way of life. My family survived thanks to the courage of young Ossetian boys who gave their lifes and thanks to the Russians who stepped in as a buffer force between the two sides and stationed UN-sanctioned peace-keeping troops in South Ossetia ever since.
It had become obvious for Ossetians at the time that no future was possible together with Georgia, and they declared independence. Ossetia adopted its own constitution, elected a government, created armed forces to defend themselves. The independence was not recognized by Georgia, of course. Moreover, Georgian PR machine did excellent job discrediting the South Ossetian government, misinforming the world about what really was happening in Ossetia. I bet you have never heard about the non-stopping economic blockade of Ossetia by Georgia, about Georgia-sponsored terrorist attacks on Ossetians, etc. And I bet you’ve heard a lot about the “democratic” and “progressive” leadership of president Saakashvili and about the “illegal separatist regime” in “Tskhinvali region” (a bit more politically correct label for Ossetia than that of Gamsakhurdia). Extremely artful is the Georgian government’s propaganda, very smooth, very efficient, skilfully and convincingly serving whatever lies they invent in the interests of the rulers of “democratic” Georgia.
President Saakashvili often says Ossetians are criminals. He says he only attacked the criminals. My mother was not a criminal, neither was my aunt. One was as an ill elderly woman, the other one was a doctor. They both believed in good, they wanted their country to prosper and they refused to run from Tskhinval to a safer or more comfortable place, no matter what hardships life in represented. My mum believed in God, she was asking me to pray, pray, pray. She believed the Russian peace-keepers would protect them if something bad happens. She hoped though that Saakashvili was a well educated, civilized man and that he would not start a brutal war as did some of the earlier Georgian rulers. She was so wrong.
Not only Saakashvili turned to be a lying, cynical bastard, he is a ruthless murderer. In 3 nights and 3 days in early August 2008, he killed my mother and my aunt and many, many, many more innocent people just because they were Ossetians. His plan codenamed “the clean field” was executed by his NATO-trained army. They came to kill Ossetians and take away their land. They used military aviation, tanks, missiles, special force troops to kill children, women, elderly and the sick. They have destroyed schools, hospitals, they run people over by tanks, burned them alive, all without hesitation. These animals are not an army, they have no honour, no humanity.
The dead body of my aunt could not be collected in one piece. We had to carry parts of her brain and skull and hair in a plastic bag. The face and the body of my mother was turned into a blood-chilling mess. Two of the best people in the world have been killed by hundreds of sharp metal pieces, a weapon supplied to the Georgian army by the “democratic” countries of the West and applied against Ossetia by a maniac who must be tried for his crimes.
Mr Saakashvili’s hands are all dirty, covered with blood of the innocent. And he dares to talk about Russia destroying the “democracy” in Georgia and present white as black and black as white, and the Western governments and media, particularly the US is giving him a helping hand (or do they have their own agenda?). I hope you will not be fooled by all this noise. The main thing to know and to remember is that Mr Saakashvili, inspired by some people in the US administration, decided that he has a right to mark innocent as criminals and murder them, that he attempted a genocide of a small nation, that he took away my sweet mother. God will judge him. |
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Ender
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Xela
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| Quote: | | U r so stuipid, think it's just coz u reading a lot of american bullshiting newspapers |
Stuipid? That must be you, because you are the one reading brainwashing bullshit.
Japanese satellittes show all Russian actions. This can be proved. What can the Russians prove? Nothing. Just talk.
| Quote: | | P.S. USA was agressor in Afganistan, Iraq, Yugoslavia just for last 10 years... What will u say about that? |
Agressor in Afghanistan was USSR if I remember correctly, then USA.
What will u say about that?
What do you expect Europe to do about Yugoslavia? Nothing?
Why is it the whole world except Russia believes that bombing the crap out of Milosevic was the best thing to do?
Why do many Serbs agree that this was the best thing to do?
Indeed America are stupid in respect of Iraq, but they are suffering the consequences of this stupidity, and the last person on the world who should be talking about unfair detention and the killing of innocent civilians should be a Russian.
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Nothing. The Georgian massacre of two thousand Russian civilians in one night, war crimes in which grenades were thrown into basements where women and children were huddling, tanks opening fire on old ladies, children being burned alive, are relegated to the word “details”. Details, eh? Yeah right, today a child, tomorrow a terrorist, so blast the crap out of him and get it done with. Is that really how the people of the United States of America feel?" |
I seem to recall Russians having the exact same policy towards the children of Ichkeria.
In any event I am not American, as mister_wizzz points out. Georgians retaliated against Osset violence (always happening in the month of August) and it was the Russian soldiers doing the child-killing.
Ossets are no more Russian than British people. Look at Osset history, which culture they follow and which language they speak. Is it Russian?
No.
How Russia can behave like she is completely innocent in the Osset-Georgian conflict is beyond me. Without Russian interference, there would be no problem. This is the common theme. |
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Ender
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| Xela wrote: | | Japanese satellittes show all Russian actions. This can be proved. What can the Russians prove? Nothing. Just talk. |
URL please.
| Xela wrote: | | Agressor in Afghanistan was USSR if I remember correctly, then USA. What will u say about that? |
Well, to be precise England was the first. And USSR was called by Afghanistan government.
| Xela wrote: | | What do you expect Europe to do about Yugoslavia? Nothing? Why is it the whole world except Russia believes that bombing the crap out of Milosevic was the best thing to do? Why do many Serbs agree that this was the best thing to do? |
It is same situation in Georgia and Ossetia. Just different actors. Therefore neither Europe nor US has any right to blame Russia. Why Ossetians pray to Russians and curse to Georgians? Just wait. People are returning with photos, videos and memories. There are more and more info in the Internet. For example this is result of work of brave Gerogian army.
http://www.russia.ru/mishenko9
There are other videos but I don't expect that they will pass your: "Russia = agressor" filter.
| Xela wrote: | | Indeed America are stupid in respect of Iraq, but they are suffering the consequences of this stupidity, and the last person on the world who should be talking about unfair detention and the killing of innocent civilians should be a Russian. |
You forgot to mention long list of nations that participated in invasion. Sure America is worst, but others are not better. BTW, did your country sent military personel to Iraq? To Afghanistan? What is name of your country?
| Xela wrote: | | I seem to recall Russians having the exact same policy towards the children of Ichkeria. |
So it is normal war practice in modern days, isn't it? The truth is that in ANY war civilians dying in large numbers - be it Grad missile, tank shell or grenade thrown by soldier. BTW, it is normal practice to clean the building - throw a grenade then rush in. I don't think Georgian, Russian, American, German, England etc... etc... etc soldiers are different.
| Xela wrote: | | Georgians retaliated against Osset violence (always happening in the month of August) and it was the Russian soldiers doing the child-killing. |
Prove it.
| Xela wrote: | | How Russia can behave like she is completely innocent in the Osset-Georgian conflict is beyond me. Without Russian interference, there would be no problem. This is the common theme. |
Without Russian interference there are following problems:
1. Russian peacekeepers are dead. This is actually crime against Russia.
2. Thousands of regugees go to Russia. This is financical harm to Russia.
3. Many ossetians are dead. This is just amoral.
4. NATO bases are near Russian border. This is dangerous for Russia.
5. Green light to all U.S. ass-kissers: "You can do whatever you want, Russia will undergo everything". This is example of bad manners.
Well. Actually point one is enough to beat the sh*t out of Georgia. Why should we (and Ossetians) suffer? Let the U.S. and its underlings suffer.
There is joke about this:
| Wikipedia wrote: | | A Frenchman, a German, and a Russian go on a safari and are trapped by cannibals. They are brought to the chief, who says, "We are going to eat you right now. But I am a civilized man, I studied human rights at the Patrice Lumumba University in Moscow, so I'll grant each of you a last request." The German asks for a mug of beer and a bratwurst. He gets it, and cannibals eat him. The French asks for three girls. He has crazy sex with them, and then follows the German. The Russian asks: "Hit me hard, right on my nose." The chief is surprised, but hits him. The Russian pulls out a Kalashnikov and shoots all the cannibals. The mortally wounded chief asks him: "Why didn't you do this before we ate the German?", the Russian proudly replies: "Russians are not aggressors!" |
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gomer
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| It is interesting to hear that Western Europe doesn't need Russian gas. Is Eastern Europe as fortunate in energy needs? Paul Holmes says Russia has 17 years of oil left. Any country buying oil or gas from Russia needs to decide now what they will do when Russia stops exporting oil and gas. I'm guessing Russia will keep enough oil and gas to run Russia's domestic economy and military, whatever shape they're in. Maybe building nuclear power plants in other countries will be an even larger business for Russia than it is now. |
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Xela
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Ender,
Wrong. England never invaded Afghanistan. Britain attempted to invade in 1845 (or some sort of date like that) but left. In any event, it was obvious we were talking about modern history, otherwise we may as well bring the Mongols into the situation. They invaded Afghanistan and Ossetia too.
Your videos do pass my filter, but unfortunately showing clips of Chechen battles doesn't pass the global bullshit filter which is why nobody believes the Russian side. Go find the satellitte images yourself, or are you not capable of doing that?
Why bother naming a list of coalition countries to invade Iraq? They still will never have as bad a record as the Russians even if you put them all together.
Two wrongs don't make a right, comrade.
Russian army 'officially' killed over 40 000 children in Ichkeria in the belief that they would grow up to become terrorists. No other country has this record so I'm afraid you are on your own there.
Which is exactly what is happening to Russia right now in the international community.
Like I said before, wave bye-bye to 'New Russia'.
It's over. |
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Ender
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| gomer wrote: | | It is interesting to hear that Western Europe doesn't need Russian gas. Is Eastern Europe as fortunate in energy needs? Paul Holmes says Russia has 17 years of oil left. Any country buying oil or gas from Russia needs to decide now what they will do when Russia stops exporting oil and gas. I'm guessing Russia will keep enough oil and gas to run Russia's domestic economy and military, whatever shape they're in. Maybe building nuclear power plants in other countries will be an even larger business for Russia than it is now. |
I think every country (including Russia) needs to decide what they will do when gas and oil ends. Sooner or later. Better later. |
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Ender
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| Xela wrote: | | Wrong. England never invaded Afghanistan. Britain attempted to invade in 1845 (or some sort of date like that) but left. |
Three wars between 1838 and 1919. Where is the England and where is the Afghanistan? 
| Xela wrote: | | In any event, it was obvious we were talking about modern history, otherwise we may as well bring the Mongols into the situation. They invaded Afghanistan and Ossetia too. |
You say that Russia are agressors, I say that we're somewhere in the middle. Go count wars Russia fought in previous 200 years. Compare them with count of wars of U.S. or U.K. for example. You will find that agressor #1 is U.K (overcome #2 and #3 together), #2 is U.S. #3 is Russia. I'm not sure about France? for example, but I think they will be in same backet.
| Xela wrote: | | Your videos do pass my filter, but unfortunately showing clips of Chechen battles doesn't pass the global bullshit filter which is why nobody believes the Russian side. |
There are plenty clips of Chechen battles. There are also plenty clips of Chechens cutting heads of people.
| Xela wrote: | | Go find the satellitte images yourself, or are you not capable of doing that? |
There are so many services but I haven't found this one. Can you post a link or are you simply shaking the air?
| Xela wrote: | | Why bother naming a list of coalition countries to invade Iraq? They still will never have as bad a record as the Russians even if you put them all together. Two wrongs don't make a right, comrade. |
It is question of thoughts and state of minds. Those who support agression automatically lose their right to cry: "Russia agressor." Most likely you are one of them.
| Xela wrote: | | Russian army 'officially' killed over 40 000 children in Ichkeria in the belief that they would grow up to become terrorists. No other country has this record so I'm afraid you are on your own there. |
It is also interesting that before dissolution of Soviet Union there were about 250000 (~25% of entire population) ethnic russians in Chechnya, but currently there are almost only Chechens live in Chechnya and population of Chechnya about 1 million people. Where are the 250000 Russians?
It is also interesting how ~40000 total victims (combatants and non-combatants) of war turned in your mouth into 40000 of children. I'm crying.
Entrie history of our nation shows that we are very patient (like sleepy indifferent bear). When there are no immediate answer to a filthy scum's actions it usually becomes impudent more and more. But when time comes... SURPRISE!!!... everyone around start to drink valerian while the scum starts to scream: "Help! Agressors! I'm sorry! Disproportionate use of force! We are democratically elected (kudos to Hitler )" Georgia is the latest example. |
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Ender
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| Xela wrote: | | Wrong. England never invaded Afghanistan. Britain attempted to invade in 1845 (or some sort of date like that) but left. |
Three wars between 1838 and 1919. Where is the England and where is the Afghanistan?
| Xela wrote: | | In any event, it was obvious we were talking about modern history, otherwise we may as well bring the Mongols into the situation. They invaded Afghanistan and Ossetia too. |
You say that Russia are agressors, I say that we're somewhere in the middle. Go count wars Russia fought in previous 200 years. Compare them with count of wars of U.S. or U.K. for example. You will find that agressor #1 is U.K (overcome #2 and #3 together), #2 is U.S. #3 is Russia. I'm not sure about France? for example, but I think they will be in same backet.
| Xela wrote: | | Your videos do pass my filter, but unfortunately showing clips of Chechen battles doesn't pass the global bullshit filter which is why nobody believes the Russian side. |
There are plenty clips of Chechen battles. There are also plenty clips of Chechens cutting heads of people.
| Xela wrote: | | Go find the satellitte images yourself, or are you not capable of doing that? |
There are so many services but I haven't found this one. Can you post a link or are you simply shaking the air?
| Xela wrote: | | Why bother naming a list of coalition countries to invade Iraq? They still will never have as bad a record as the Russians even if you put them all together. Two wrongs don't make a right, comrade. |
It is question of thoughts and state of minds. Those who support agression automatically lose their right to cry: "Russia agressor." Most likely you are one of them.
| Xela wrote: | | Russian army 'officially' killed over 40 000 children in Ichkeria in the belief that they would grow up to become terrorists. No other country has this record so I'm afraid you are on your own there. |
It is also interesting that before dissolution of Soviet Union there were about 250000 (~25% of entire population) ethnic russians in Chechnya, but currently there are almost only Chechens live in Chechnya and population of Chechnya about 1 million people. Where are the 250000 Russians?
It is also interesting how ~40000 total victims (combatants and non-combatants) of war turned in your mouth into 40000 of children. I'm crying.
Entrie history of our nation shows that we are very patient (like sleepy indifferent bear). When there are no immediate answer to a filthy scum's actions it usually becomes impudent more and more. But when time comes... SURPRISE!!!... everyone around start to drink valerian while the scum starts to scream: "Help! Agressors! I'm sorry! Disproportionate use of force! We are democratically elected (say hello to Hitler )" Georgia is the latest example.
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Ossetians(north) were given the lands Inguish which are more related to Chechens.
Crime free? Tell that to Georgian villiage that were getting shelled and property getting looted now. Everyone knows the Ossetia was run by separatists/warlords who are profiting from their attacks, smuggling, and drug trafficking.
Sakahin Island -pollution - More propangda from from the news service that is owned by Gasprom who is controlled by the gov't. How is Russia's record in pollution? Is the water in Moscow drinkable ? How St Pete's?
If you think that you have such a great record, so go swimming in the Moscow river.
Oesstians and Georgians lived in harmony for a long time, until the USSR got involved and destabilized the whole area. Marched Chechens to Kazakhstan. Gave Ossetians, Inguish's land. It was the USSR that pushed to have Ossetian language out of Oesstia. So what happens, they blame each other instead of who is actually doing it. USSR gov't. So when the USSR dissolved, nothing changed with new Russia.
Faceit, there is much profit to be made with this. Russia is spending 1/2 billion on a territory that is not theirs. Make senses? No. But everyone will line the pockets through corruption, weapon sales, drugs, and other illegal activities just like they did in Chechya. Right now, the Oligrach including the Mayor of Moscow are building mansions in Abhakzia for the Sochi Olympics. Very interesting in deed. It is almost like that it has become a part of the Russia. |
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Paul Holmes
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| Ender wrote: | | gomer wrote: | | It is interesting to hear that Western Europe doesn't need Russian gas. Is Eastern Europe as fortunate in energy needs? Paul Holmes says Russia has 17 years of oil left. Any country buying oil or gas from Russia needs to decide now what they will do when Russia stops exporting oil and gas. I'm guessing Russia will keep enough oil and gas to run Russia's domestic economy and military, whatever shape they're in. Maybe building nuclear power plants in other countries will be an even larger business for Russia than it is now. |
I think every country (including Russia) needs to decide what they will do when gas and oil ends. Sooner or later. Better later. |
Problem with Russian Businessmen is that they like to live today and worry about tomorrow. When Western oil company takes a well, they try to maximize the full potential of the well over the lifetime. Russian Oil Field companies are like anarchy. They want to get as much as they can and then next to another well. If you also take the Natural Gas first, it lowers the pressure so that the heavier oil will not easily be retrieved. One Russian oil company will grab the gas while the other will try to get the oil. Both will screw each other up. So much of Russian reserves are left in the ground.
Strong incorruptible central agency is needed to maintain the Oil and Gas industry in Russia so that this needless waste does not happen.
It is a shame that these Oligrachs are wasting the precious resources of Russia so they can buy another English Football club or another yacht in Greece. |
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