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Russia and Georgia War
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Ender
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul Holmes wrote:
Ossetians(north) were given the lands Inguish which are more related to Chechens.

It is difficult question who to whose give land.
Paul Holmes wrote:
Crime free? Tell that to Georgian villiage that were getting shelled and property getting looted now.

I think it is done by two matters:
1. Revenge. After all having a democratically elected leader means that it express the will of the people. Therefore at least 50% georgian sitizens supposed to be responsive for what their leader do.
2. To prevent creation of points of further resistance.
This is usually happening when two nations don't want to live together.
Paul Holmes wrote:
Everyone knows the Ossetia was run by separatists/warlords who are profiting from their attacks, smuggling, and drug trafficking.

Can you provide a link on a crime statistic in S. Ossetia?
Paul Holmes wrote:
Sakahin Island -pollution - More propangda from from the news service that is owned by Gasprom who is controlled by the gov't. How is Russia's record in pollution? Is the water in Moscow drinkable ? How St Pete's? If you think that you have such a great record, so go swimming in the Moscow river.

I haven't seen too much city rivers to compare, however once, being drunk, I swam in the Moscow river. Still alive. Smile
Paul Holmes wrote:
Oesstians and Georgians lived in harmony for a long time, until the USSR got involved and destabilized the whole area. Marched Chechens to Kazakhstan. Gave Ossetians, Inguish's land. It was the USSR that pushed to have Ossetian language out of Oesstia. So what happens, they blame each other instead of who is actually doing it. USSR gov't. So when the USSR dissolved, nothing changed with new Russia.

It is interesting. USSR dissolved, but they still blame each other. Don't you think it is strange? According to your logic they when evil USSR gone away they should happily live togehter. But they started bloodshed instead until Russia came in.
Paul Holmes wrote:
Faceit, there is much profit to be made with this. Russia is spending 1/2 billion on a territory that is not theirs.

Maybe. Would you or your country like to join?
Paul Holmes wrote:
Make senses? No. But everyone will line the pockets through corruption, weapon sales, drugs, and other illegal activities just like they did in Chechya. Right now, the Oligrach including the Mayor of Moscow are building mansions in Abhakzia for the Sochi Olympics. Very interesting in deed. It is almost like that it has become a part of the Russia.

I think London will be part of the Russia too. Guess why?

And as always our daily link to the results of work of democratically elected you-know-whose government.

http://osinform.ru/foto/7766-foto-razrushennogo-goroda-geroja.html
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Ender
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got tired from this debate. You can tell what you want, blame Russia how you want. This doesn't change anything. Read Pushkin's "To the slanderers of Russia" it says everything.

An useful article: http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/mary-dejevsky/mary-dejevsky-russia-the-bad-guys-who-are-the-west-trying-to-kid-897498.html

It seems there are wise people on the West, unfortunately wisdom is rare feature.
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Ender
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

More evidences of democratic work:
http://cominf.org/uploads/posts/1218130897_img_2965web.jpg

People returning with materials as I said before.
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Ender
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good american training: http://cominf.org/uploads/posts/1218131691_img_2996web.jpg
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Voyager
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is interesting that of the 192 recognised countries in the world , removing Russian and Georgian opinions , it'nt interesting that only one has come out in support of Russia , and that one is under threat of attack (by Russia amongst others) itself , the other 189 countries have all come out against what they see as Russian agression.
The official line now comming from the Kremlin is that 150 million Russians are right and the other 5 BILLION are wrong .
The fall out with Russia over this whole sorry mess is only just starting , as the Russian stock exchange is falling and the value of the Rubble falling , foriegn investment in Russia looks to be at an end for the foreseeable future as those already invested there are looking to reclaim the money already in Russia.
On a seprate note , Gazprom was told this morning that it will get no more licences to operate in Europe and it is likely that the licences it already has will not be renewed when they expire , further , Russian car insurance may not be valid in Europe after 1st september - this will mean Russian cars and trucks entering Europe will now have to seek insurance with a European company.
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Paul Holmes
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But oil increased by $5, so that is an increase 16,425,000,000 per year.
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Xela
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ender,

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Three wars between 1838 and 1919. Where is the England and where is the Afghanistan?


Wrong. There is no record of England ever invading Afghanistan.

It was the country called Britain that attempted to.

Even if you were talking about Britain you are wrong, because there were only ever 2 wars during that period, not 3.

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You say that Russia are agressors, I say that we're somewhere in the middle. Go count wars Russia fought in previous 200 years. Compare them with count of wars of U.S. or U.K. for example. You will find that agressor #1 is U.K (overcome #2 and #3 together), #2 is U.S. #3 is Russia. I'm not sure about France? for example, but I think they will be in same backet.


Wrong. Biggest aggressors are the Russians. Show me the proof that UK has the biggest incident of wars and in the past 200 years otherwise we will accept that it was the Russians, and we both know that Russians have caused the most deaths. With great leaders like Stalin, who needs enemies?

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There are plenty clips of Chechen battles. There are also plenty clips of Chechens cutting heads of people.


Also plenty of clips of Russians raping Chechens and Russians severing bodyparts of Chechens.

Says a lot that Chechen men weren't interested in raping Russian women and that Chechen women would rather tie explosives to their waist and blow themselves up than sleep with Russian man.

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There are so many services but I haven't found this one. Can you post a link or are you simply shaking the air?


Here you go:

http://rantburg.com/poparticle.php?ID=247427&D=2008-08-17&SO=&HC=3



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It is question of thoughts and state of minds. Those who support agression automatically lose their right to cry: "Russia agressor." Most likely you are one of them.


I never supported the Iraq invasion therefore I am not a supporter of agression. So what say you now, comrade?

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It is also interesting that before dissolution of Soviet Union there were about 250000 (~25% of entire population) ethnic russians in Chechnya, but currently there are almost only Chechens live in Chechnya and population of Chechnya about 1 million people. Where are the 250000 Russians?


My guess is that at this moment in time the 250 000 Russians are busy raping Georgia.

After all, they are proven experts when it comes to being somewhere where they are not wanted.

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It is also interesting how ~40000 total victims (combatants and non-combatants) of war turned in your mouth into 40000 of children. I'm crying.


Read it and weep(some more):

http://www.unpo.org/content/view/1158/236/


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Entrie history of our nation shows that we are very patient (like sleepy indifferent bear). When there are no immediate answer to a filthy scum's actions it usually becomes impudent more and more. But when time comes... SURPRISE!!!... everyone around start to drink valerian while the scum starts to scream: "Help! Agressors! I'm sorry! Disproportionate use of force! We are democratically elected (say hello to Hitler )" Georgia is the latest example.

Entire history of nation shows anything but patience.


Like when Russians hurried to invade Finland, Czecholslovakia, Afghanistan, Chechnya, Ossetia, Georgia etc.

Not to forget the hurried invasion of Poland along with Russia's best friend Adolf Hitler. That sounds really patient to me.



You are right in comparing Russians to a bear though.


You both shit in the woods, and one day you'll end up staring down the end of a barrell unless you stay there doing just that.
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Paul Holmes
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You forgot Romania and Japan also. They are still in dispute with the Islands.
Like I said before that Russia has more in common with the USA than any other country in the world. They are hated for the military and government policies throughout the world (maybe it is envy being a superpower). If you go to any country in Eastern Europe, they know the basic terms Spasiba, Privet, Poka and Russki Huoy.
Russians think they are better because they do not have GWB, but you are proud of your country and leader like Americans who are proud they do not have Putin. In general, most Russians and Americans are awesome people, but what their governments do is horrible. Why to support a bunch sadistic multi billionaires playboys who do not give a shit about the average Russian or American. Comparing that you are better GWB is like saying that you are nicer because you sodomize young boys at the age 6 instead 5.

My country has NEVER invaded any other country in this world. Only other country we invaded was (before we were a country) was the USA and that was retaliatory.
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MelissaCato
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We need to stop bickering back and forth .. it's exactly what the bastards want.

Here I made a video ... check it out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c4WunUgRU0
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gomer
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Joined: 30 Mar 2007
Posts: 437

PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw the movie, "The Day After" several nights ago on U.S. TV. In the movie, a young woman says, "The USA won't really want sacrifice Chicago for Hamburg." Well, it seems the U.S. will sacrifice Chicago for Warsaw. Although, I don't see how the U.S. could push 'the button' any faster for Warsaw than it would for London, Paris, Berlin or any other NATO member capital.
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Voyager
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Location: Ireland

PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have to agree with Paul , the average Russian and average American are great people (although I find Russian people easier to get along with even with the language barrier) but their governments............dont start me we could be here for days Laughing
Thats a good vid MelissaCato , makes you wonder , I am hearing more and more about this "new world order" and it disturbs me greatly , while I like the idea of one people , one race , one world , one government , I feel that the world and we as humans are not ready for this yet , its a bit like communisim , a good idea on paper but in practice not workable or sustainable yet , and like communisim I think that maybe in another hundread years or so it could be made to work , but as long as humans put their own good ahead of the good of others we will never progress as a race
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Ender
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xela wrote:
Wrong. There is no record of England ever invading Afghanistan. It was the country called Britain that attempted to. Even if you were talking about Britain you are wrong, because there were only ever 2 wars during that period, not 3.

I don't give a damn who are they - England, Britain, U.K., Anglo-Saxonic barbarians... Wikipedia indicates three wars. But, Ok. Let's count only 2 wars, this doesn't change anything.
Xela wrote:
Wrong. Biggest aggressors are the Russians. Show me the proof that UK has the biggest incident of wars and in the past 200 years otherwise we will accept that it was the Russians, and we both know that Russians have caused the most deaths. With great leaders like Stalin, who needs enemies?

It was difficult task but I've done it. I've looked in Wikipedia and counted small and big wars are fought by U.S., Russia and Britain from the year 1800. When there are several wars in the time and/or territory bounds of one war they were counted as one war (for example WWII is counted as single war). Civil or any other internal war counted always as agressive because shows unability of people to come to peaceful solution. Revolts of opressed people in occupied territory also included (but counted as "simply war").

This isn't scientific research.

Results are (approximate):
#3 Russia/U.S.S.R: Wars: 32. Agressive: 7 (including 4 internal)
#2 U.S: Wars: 34. Agressive: 12 (including 7 internal, mostly between Native Americans and states)
And the number one is... Britain: Wars: 63. Agressive: 9.

I'm not expert either in U.S. or Britain history. There are many "?" for armed conflicts where these countries participated. For many of "?" i wasn't able to understand who started the war - too much material to read. But if at least half of them agressive they would outmatch Russia significantly. Again this is not scientific research, it just indicates common tendencies.

Century XIX: there are multiple wars when countries being dragged into the war because of various pacts and alliances. U.S. busy with our own states and Native Americans. Britain fights many colonial wars and pick its nose in almost every European confilct. Europe is hot place.

Century XX: There are less wars. But either they quick and relatively bloodless or they are huge and fierce. After WWII U.S.S.R picks its nose everywhere, U.S. opposes it. Europe is deadly place.

Century XXI: U.S. becomes agressor ¹1 with bunch of jackals (NATO allies) on it's tail. Europe is... we will see it's only started.

If you don't believe to me... well there is Wikipedia... go and count.

About number of deaths... I think by count of deaths Germany in WWI/II easily outmach Russia for its entrie history. And by the way Stalin was a Georgian as well as Beria. Think about it.

Xela wrote:
Also plenty of clips of Russians raping Chechens and Russians severing bodyparts of Chechens. Says a lot that Chechen men weren't interested in raping Russian women and that Chechen women would rather tie explosives to their waist and blow themselves up than sleep with Russian man.

Megalol. Laughing You talking complete nonsence. Marriages between russian men and chechen women prove completely different picture. I know some of them personally. And even between federal soldiers and local women. There are lot of them. Now about clips. Show me please some.

There are clips where is very clearly visible how Chehcen separatist kill people with knife (in very very close detail), chain people to the wall and shoot them from AK's or kill with sabre. I can't find them right now on youtube (probably deleted), but these clips were shown on central TV and they were available on youtube. I saw them and half of Russia also. You so obsessed by Chechnya... I can send you a copy - 11Mb, most likely you will enjoy it (killing of russian soldiers and civilians in process). Hey, spiteful critics of Russia, want to enjoy? PM me with your email boxes that are capable to receive such large file.

Xela wrote:
Here you go:
http://rantburg.com/poparticle.php?ID=247427&D=2008-08-17&SO=&HC=3

Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing ROTFL. I think you'll understand why.

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It is question of thoughts and state of minds. Those who support agression automatically lose their right to cry: "Russia agressor." Most likely you are one of them.


Xela wrote:
I never supported the Iraq invasion therefore I am not a supporter of agression. So what say you now, comrade?

What country you are from? You are from one of these NATO countries with "democratically elected governments" [(c) White house ppl], aren't you?

Xela wrote:
Quote:
It is also interesting that before dissolution of Soviet Union there were about 250000 (~25% of entire population) ethnic russians in Chechnya, but currently there are almost only Chechens live in Chechnya and population of Chechnya about 1 million people. Where are the 250000 Russians?

My guess is that at this moment in time the 250 000 Russians are busy raping Georgia.

Nothing to say, eh? It is difficult to argue against statistic. Smile
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It is also interesting how ~40000 total victims (combatants and non-combatants) of war turned in your mouth into 40000 of children. I'm crying.

Xela wrote:
Read it and weep(some more):

I can produce such articles one per week. LOL again. At least try to read wikipedia for numbers.
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Xela
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ender,

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Megalol. You talking complete nonsence. Marriages between russian men and chechen women prove completely different picture. I know some of them personally. And even between federal soldiers and local women. There are lot of them. Now about clips. Show me please some.


Wrong. Marriage between Chechen men and Russian women is more commonplace. Hardly no marriage between Chechen women and Russian men, mainly because Chechen women can't stand Russian men who raped them.

Is that so difficult to understand?




p.s. You kinda lost your argument, because you based your bullshit facts on Wikipedia. Even I didn't think you were this dumb. Let me explain it to you because it's obvious nobody ever told you:

Anybody can edit Wikipedia.

http://tchetchenieparis.free.fr/text/torture-23-7-01.htm
http://terrorism.about.com/od/humanrights/a/RussiaTorture.htm

Russians are the torturers and if you want the videos I will PM them, because I am certain not everybody has a sick little mind like you.
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Ender
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xela wrote:
Wrong. Marriage between Chechen men and Russian women is more commonplace. Hardly no marriage between Chechen women and Russian men, mainly because Chechen women can't stand Russian men who raped them. Is that so difficult to understand?

Are you idiot or what? Your source of information is Internet and TV (controlled by anti-Russian entities, it was very well indicated by recent events - fake photos, stolen sequences from russian TV, direct lie - they can't say difference between Russian and Georgian tanks, twisted words). Of course over all sources of information you selected most radical and openly anti-Russian. Probably you went few times to Russia. I live in this country for 30 years. I have acquaintances between these people. I don't need to understand your shitty theories or what-you-have-read-on-anti-russian-sites. I simply live near them and see them. It is no point to talk with you as your head filled with anti-Russian bullshit. Bye, moron.
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Arseniy
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OMG, Xela is amazing. I think he is the fanat of Jhon Makkein. Talking bout Russia, when everything that you know bout it you have read from west antirussian sites, is very clever. Talking bout great leader Stalin, and what do you know bout Stalin? And Do you know that a lot of Ossetins are russian citizens? Do you know that Russia have peacemakers in South Ossetia and Georgians attacked them against all world agreements? You know nothing bout my country but you think that world always need to have a big enemy and this enemy is Russia. Its real bullshit.
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