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Paul Holmes
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Ender
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| Paul Holmes wrote: | | We have one here. You drink 1 ounce or shot of beer every minute for 100 minutes and you are not allowed to use the bathroom until you finished. |
I probably cannot do this, however my brother easily can drink 3 litres of beer in 60..100 min without bathroom. He's done it multiple times. |
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Arina8
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| Xela wrote: | Russian strikes must stop immediately, there is no question about that.
The reason Russia provided about occupying Chechnya is the exact same reason Georgia provided about occupying South Ossetia.
Yet Russia is wholeheartedly supporting the actions of a breakaway republic, whilst trying to fool South Ossetians with Passports into thinking they are actually Russian. When we all know Russians would never view or treat South Ossetians as brothers. Which almost makes me think South Ossetians must be the most stupid people on earth to actually believe the Russians.
Until of course I remember that the international community is on top of Russia right now, and any tiny shred of respect they held for the Russians has now well and truly vanished.
Congratulations Russia, on your staunch double values, I think both you and the South Ossetians may well have found the perfect partnership.  |
I don't think it's a good idea to insult both Ossetians and Russians. Obviously, you do not know enough about the conflict itself and the history of the Caucasus on the whole. Or perhaps for some reason you take sides too willingly.
I did not use to be interested in politics as I am not sure one can believe politicians at all, but since 8 August I have watched lots of BBC and CNN on the one hand and Russian programmes on the other. Unfortunately, all the comments on the war I have read and heard seem to be biased so it is really unwise to run to extremes as you do.
Personally I disapprove of any kind of violence but do you seriously think that Georgia is now a democratic country? If yes, you lack information.
As for Ossetia and Abkhazia, most of their inhabitants voted for independence long ago, ( which I know for sure because I have some friends in Abkhazia), so I do not understand the difference between these two countries and Kosovo, for example. If they get it, naturally, they will be closer to Russia than to Georgia but I am afraid you have no right to judge whether they are mistaken or not. Speaking about double values, they are used by politicians a bit too often, Russia is not an exception, of course, as well as the US.
In terms of brotherhood I guess we Russians are more reserved than you are, but anyway, the only thing which really bothers me is people's sufferings, no matter whether they are Ossetians or Georgians. |
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Arina8
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| Xela wrote: | Ender,
| Quote: | | Megalol. You talking complete nonsence. Marriages between russian men and chechen women prove completely different picture. I know some of them personally. And even between federal soldiers and local women. There are lot of them. Now about clips. Show me please some. |
Wrong. Marriage between Chechen men and Russian women is more commonplace. Hardly no marriage between Chechen women and Russian men, mainly because Chechen women can't stand Russian men who raped them.
Is that so difficult to understand?
p.s. You kinda lost your argument, because you based your bullshit facts on Wikipedia. Even I didn't think you were this dumb. Let me explain it to you because it's obvious nobody ever told you:
Anybody can edit Wikipedia.
http://tchetchenieparis.free.fr/text/torture-23-7-01.htm
http://terrorism.about.com/od/humanrights/a/RussiaTorture.htm
Russians are the torturers and if you want the videos I will PM them, because I am certain not everybody has a sick little mind like you. |
Now I have read all your comments. You are too emotional and therefore unreasonable. Plus, you talk too much about rapists. Bad experience? I guess, war. Anyway, you prefer to offend people rather than be just. It's your choice, of course, but this attitude usually leads nowhere.
By the way, your English isn't perfect either. Why don't you write 'hardly any' instead of 'hardly no'? As for Russian women, I do not want to disappoint you, but we are not very much interested in Chechen men. |
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Paul Holmes
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| Arina8 wrote: | | Xela wrote: | Russian strikes must stop immediately, there is no question about that.
The reason Russia provided about occupying Chechnya is the exact same reason Georgia provided about occupying South Ossetia.
Yet Russia is wholeheartedly supporting the actions of a breakaway republic, whilst trying to fool South Ossetians with Passports into thinking they are actually Russian. When we all know Russians would never view or treat South Ossetians as brothers. Which almost makes me think South Ossetians must be the most stupid people on earth to actually believe the Russians.
Until of course I remember that the international community is on top of Russia right now, and any tiny shred of respect they held for the Russians has now well and truly vanished.
Congratulations Russia, on your staunch double values, I think both you and the South Ossetians may well have found the perfect partnership. |
I don't think it's a good idea to insult both Ossetians and Russians. Obviously, you do not know enough about the conflict itself and the history of the Caucasus on the whole. Or perhaps for some reason you take sides too willingly.
I did not use to be interested in politics as I am not sure one can believe politicians at all, but since 8 August I have watched lots of BBC and CNN on the one hand and Russian programmes on the other. Unfortunately, all the comments on the war I have read and heard seem to be biased so it is really unwise to run to extremes as you do.
Personally I disapprove of any kind of violence but do you seriously think that Georgia is now a democratic country? If yes, you lack information.
As for Ossetia and Abkhazia, most of their inhabitants voted for independence long ago, ( which I know for sure because I have some friends in Abkhazia), so I do not understand the difference between these two countries and Kosovo, for example. If they get it, naturally, they will be closer to Russia than to Georgia but I am afraid you have no right to judge whether they are mistaken or not. Speaking about double values, they are used by politicians a bit too often, Russia is not an exception, of course, as well as the US.
In terms of brotherhood I guess we Russians are more reserved than you are, but anyway, the only thing which really bothers me is people's sufferings, no matter whether they are Ossetians or Georgians. |
Anna, when does this stop? If Ossetia gets independence with only 79,000 people. Should Ender and his brother ask for their flat to be independent. also.
If you study your history( which I am sure you do) then you will that independence was considered a major cause for WW1. Also when there is a country nationalize and splts, then what happens to non national residents ? In this case, the villages are burnt and looted. Look what is happening in Moldova also. |
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Arina8
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| Paul Holmes wrote: | | Arina8 wrote: | | Xela wrote: | Russian strikes must stop immediately, there is no question about that.
The reason Russia provided about occupying Chechnya is the exact same reason Georgia provided about occupying South Ossetia.
Yet Russia is wholeheartedly supporting the actions of a breakaway republic, whilst trying to fool South Ossetians with Passports into thinking they are actually Russian. When we all know Russians would never view or treat South Ossetians as brothers. Which almost makes me think South Ossetians must be the most stupid people on earth to actually believe the Russians.
Until of course I remember that the international community is on top of Russia right now, and any tiny shred of respect they held for the Russians has now well and truly vanished.
Congratulations Russia, on your staunch double values, I think both you and the South Ossetians may well have found the perfect partnership. |
I don't think it's a good idea to insult both Ossetians and Russians. Obviously, you do not know enough about the conflict itself and the history of the Caucasus on the whole. Or perhaps for some reason you take sides too willingly.
I did not use to be interested in politics as I am not sure one can believe politicians at all, but since 8 August I have watched lots of BBC and CNN on the one hand and Russian programmes on the other. Unfortunately, all the comments on the war I have read and heard seem to be biased so it is really unwise to run to extremes as you do.
Personally I disapprove of any kind of violence but do you seriously think that Georgia is now a democratic country? If yes, you lack information.
As for Ossetia and Abkhazia, most of their inhabitants voted for independence long ago, ( which I know for sure because I have some friends in Abkhazia), so I do not understand the difference between these two countries and Kosovo, for example. If they get it, naturally, they will be closer to Russia than to Georgia but I am afraid you have no right to judge whether they are mistaken or not. Speaking about double values, they are used by politicians a bit too often, Russia is not an exception, of course, as well as the US.
In terms of brotherhood I guess we Russians are more reserved than you are, but anyway, the only thing which really bothers me is people's sufferings, no matter whether they are Ossetians or Georgians. |
Anna, when does this stop? If Ossetia gets independence with only 79,000 people. Should Ender and his brother ask for their flat to be independent. also.
If you study your history( which I am sure you do) then you will that independence was considered a major cause for WW1. Also when there is a country nationalize and splts, then what happens to non national residents ? In this case, the villages are burnt and looted. Look what is happening in Moldova also. |
I am not Anna, I am Arina, these are different names.
As for the number of people, I do not think it really matters, there are tiny countries with fewer number of citizens, some of them in Europe. I did not say that I am for or against independent Ossetia but I hate so-called double values or double standards both in ordinary life and in politics. If Kosovo, whose population is mostly Albanian, managed to get independence, why not give it to Ossetia? Personally I would prefer to stay out of all these things, especially because they are connected with the Caucasus. It has always been a very contoversial theme, with each side involved having their own truth. Local people are very unusual, too passionate and warlike, I suppose. They sometimes live in peace and sometimes do not, but the former USSR didn't have anything to do with it. When I was at university, the USSR still existed and we freely went caving to Abkhazia, which was one of the most peaceful and hospitable places on earth. It's convenient to accuse the regime of everything that has happened, but in my opinion violence is part of human nature and unfortunately it can be provoked.
The worst thing about Russia, Georgia, Ossetia and Abkhazia is that everybody is right. Most of the inhabitants in Ossetia and Abkhazia are for independence, the question is, for what reason. I don't think we will ever find out who has made money on the conflict but it's clear who wants to improve their image. I feel that the elections in the USA are somehow involved here too.
For some reason Russia is now associated with the former USSR, I guess, because we are the largest part of it both in terms of population and territory. Again, it's convenient but absolutely unreasonable, as it is this country which suffered most from communism. My great-grandfathers' families were deprived of all their possessions, so I believe we have more rights to judge here.
I decided to take part in this talk just because it is too biased and sometimes insulting, especially Xela's opinion. I am sure that this person was somehow involved in the Chechen war, in this case I can understand his / her feelings but I disapprove of the things he / she says and the facts he / she gives. Some of them are just words, even if they are said by journalists. Murders took place on both sides and children were killed by both sides. Terrorist attack by Chechens took place after the war as well, some of them in Moscow. They spoke about revenge, but the aim of their revenge was not the people who had done harm. You can't associate those at war with the whole nation, otherwise we Russians can also say that all the Chechens are terrorists and criminals because they are involved in drug trafficking in Moscow on a wide scale, while all the Georgians are maniacs because they gave birth to Stalin and Saakashvili. |
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Paul Holmes
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Arina, you still did not answer the question" What happens to the minorities in a nationalism?"
Abkhazia and Ossetia both have significant Georgian population. Today the fact is so many regions are looking for independence based race or religion.
The Russian gov't has been a supporter of this outside of its own borders and oppressor within its borders. |
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Arina8
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| Paul Holmes wrote: | Arina, you still did not answer the question" What happens to the minorities in a nationalism?"
Abkhazia and Ossetia both have significant Georgian population. Today the fact is so many regions are looking for independence based race or religion.
The Russian gov't has been a supporter of this outside of its own borders and oppressor within its borders. |
I think some of them will move, others won't.
The same happened to Serbs who lived in Kosovo and although you may not know it, the same happened to very many Russians who used to live in the former Soviet republics, especially in the Baltic ones and Asia. Nearly in all spheres of industry and science (which is closer to me because I studied chemistry) all leading positions were occupied purely by locals, I mean, non-Russians, regardless of their abilities. It's not propaganda, it's a fact. Nearly everybody of my age knows such people.
In the Caucasus locals tend to support each other a lot and try to preserve their identity. When the conflict broke out, Ossetian women and kids fled to their relatives and acquaintances, mostly in Northern Ossetia. I am sure the same is true of Georgians.
It really appeals to me that you are trying to understand what's going on but you tend to think sort of globally, based on the knowledge you manage to get. Due to my background I always doubt nearly everything I hear, especially from journalists and politicians. If I have a chance, I check things, if not, I don't take sides. Perhaps next year we'll go on holiday to Abkhazia, just to compare it with the Abkhazia of the past. It used to be very beautiful and quite rich. By the way, when the USSR existed, in the Caucasus people were much better-off than in Moscow. Until I turned 10 my parents and I had to share a flat with another family and only then we got ours (43sq m in total!), although mum was one of the leading specialists in her job and dad was a brilliant car mechanic. At the same time average people in Abkhazia and Georgia (again, we saw it when we went on holiday) could afford to build houses and buy cars. It was easier to live there because of the climate, I think.
When Georgia got independence, they celebrated of course. I managed to overhear an unpleasant talk with a Georgian. He said, 'Free at last. You know how fertile our soil is - you plant something and it grows without any effort.' His interlocutor agreed and asked what they will do with their resorts. 'Will you send your wife to work for tourists?' The Georgian answered that there were enough Russians for these jobs.
It doesn't mean anything global actually. It only means that people who are not used to independent thinking and who are prone to propaganda feel inferiority when it is needed and are ready to seek enemies when it is needed. You can see it in this forum as well.
As for independence, I doubt (again!) that it can exist at all. For instance, Georgia now does not depend on Russia but relies on other states, so again, it is not independence. One can't be a bit pregnant, it's a paradox. |
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Arina8
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| Paul Holmes wrote: | You said one thing correct. You don't think
Oligrachs are buying the land. Who really cares about of villagers as long as the mayor Moscow has a nice property near Sochi. I am sure he made lots of money seizing property in Moscow to build new Condominiums for the rich.
You attack anyone. Tell that to the Afghans, Chechen, Czech, Lithunanias, Estonians and so on. The bullets stuck in government building in Prague from 1968 were just peacekeeping bullets.
Making up bombs that looked like toys which blew up Children in Afghanistan. They were peacekeeping toys.
Pushing Inguish out of their land then giving to Ossetia, that was peacekeeping also.
1/2 population of Chechya gone. The 1/2 were all killers.
I guess when you kill them, they are quite peaceful. I guess you are correct the Russian soldiers are peacekeepers.
Keeping read the news from Gazprom. |
If possible, please do not say that tycoons personify Russia. I did not read everything you wrote until now, and I was a bit surprised to find out that you were being so emotional.
Firstly, Russia and the USSR are different things and I hope you already believe that it was Russia in the first place which suffered most from the regime. Secondly, I doubt if there were Russian bombs shaped like toys in the Afgan war. I mean, if I had seen them being made in Russian factories, I would believe they were Russian, but now I can presume that they could have been made by anybody involved.
I suppose I am much older than you, which is why I have learnt to doubt and forgive. By the way, it is much easier to hate than forgive. People brought up with the idea of hatred at least have no doubts in life, but I am sure that hatred is a quality typical of weak people and weak nations.
As for the Chechens, again, they are difficult to understand. They wanted revenge, so as a result we had Beslan (just imagine - kids and teachers being kept hostage in the school on the first of September and then killed) and Nord-Ost in Moscow. The targets were wrong, and I am sure there were people who made profit.
But again, we do not identify Chechens with terrorists.
Actually, the best idea (if you want harmony inside) is not to live according to somebody's script. None of us know who writes it. Anyway, the only script I agree with includes the Ten Commandments. |
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Paul Holmes
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If possible, please do not say that tycoons personify Russia. I did not read everything you wrote until now, and I was a bit surprised to find out that you were being so emotional.
Firstly, Russia and the USSR are different things and I hope you already believe that it was Russia in the first place which suffered most from the regime. Secondly, I doubt if there were Russian bombs shaped like toys in the Afgan war. I mean, if I had seen them being made in Russian factories, I would believe they were Russian, but now I can presume that they could have been made by anybody involved.
I suppose I am much older than you, which is why I have learnt to doubt and forgive. By the way, it is much easier to hate than forgive. People brought up with the idea of hatred at least have no doubts in life, but I am sure that hatred is a quality typical of weak people and weak nations.
As for the Chechens, again, they are difficult to understand. They wanted revenge, so as a result we had Beslan (just imagine - kids and teachers being kept hostage in the school on the first of September and then killed) and Nord-Ost in Moscow. The targets were wrong, and I am sure there were people who made profit.
But again, we do not identify Chechens with terrorists.
Actually, the best idea (if you want harmony inside) is not to live according to somebody's script. None of us know who writes it. Anyway, the only script I agree with includes the Ten Commandments. |
I said in earlier post that most Russian people are great people, but are being misled by Oligargh and the gov't. I can say the same for the Georgians.
The game is who can stir up the most hatred so they can profit from it. Price of the oil increases, Georgia receives more attention from the west, McCain gets more votes, Putin looks like a hero, and so on.
Who gets screwed over? The Georgian villagers who lived quietly with Osstians for hundreds of years. Now I assume the Ossetians in Georgia who lived quietly among the Georgians will also suffer. Why? For others profit. |
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Xela
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Arina8 (I wonder who this could be..?),
| Quote: | Now I have read all your comments. You are too emotional and therefore unreasonable. Plus, you talk too much about rapists. Bad experience? I guess, war. Anyway, you prefer to offend people rather than be just. It's your choice, of course, but this attitude usually leads nowhere.
By the way, your English isn't perfect either. Why don't you write 'hardly any' instead of 'hardly no'? As for Russian women, I do not want to disappoint you, but we are not very much interested in Chechen men. |
No bad experience with rapists, just making an observation that there are plenty of them living in Russia.
By the way, please don't give me a lesson in English, because when somebody types 'we are not very much interested' it begs the question of what school of English they studied at, as well as their stupidity.
I am not trying to offend anyone; if you want me to post the PM's that racist Ender sent me about Caucasian women I will, and we can all see why I have this attitude with this particular person.
As a final point: if Russian women are 'not very much interested in Chechen men', then why is it you can find almost all the most beautiful ones in Moscow and St Petersburg working for them?
Answer that one for me. |
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Arina8
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| Paul Holmes wrote: | | Arina8 wrote: |
If possible, please do not say that tycoons personify Russia. I did not read everything you wrote until now, and I was a bit surprised to find out that you were being so emotional.
Firstly, Russia and the USSR are different things and I hope you already believe that it was Russia in the first place which suffered most from the regime. Secondly, I doubt if there were Russian bombs shaped like toys in the Afgan war. I mean, if I had seen them being made in Russian factories, I would believe they were Russian, but now I can presume that they could have been made by anybody involved.
I suppose I am much older than you, which is why I have learnt to doubt and forgive. By the way, it is much easier to hate than forgive. People brought up with the idea of hatred at least have no doubts in life, but I am sure that hatred is a quality typical of weak people and weak nations.
As for the Chechens, again, they are difficult to understand. They wanted revenge, so as a result we had Beslan (just imagine - kids and teachers being kept hostage in the school on the first of September and then killed) and Nord-Ost in Moscow. The targets were wrong, and I am sure there were people who made profit.
But again, we do not identify Chechens with terrorists.
Actually, the best idea (if you want harmony inside) is not to live according to somebody's script. None of us know who writes it. Anyway, the only script I agree with includes the Ten Commandments. |
I said in earlier post that most Russian people are great people, but are being misled by Oligargh and the gov't. I can say the same for the Georgians.
The game is who can stir up the most hatred so they can profit from it. Price of the oil increases, Georgia receives more attention from the west, McCain gets more votes, Putin looks like a hero, and so on.
Who gets screwed over? The Georgian villagers who lived quietly with Osstians for hundreds of years. Now I assume the Ossetians in Georgia who lived quietly among the Georgians will also suffer. Why? For others profit. |
Definitely. This is the main reason why I do not usually participate in such disputes. And I do not usually vote in the elections although it might be wrong.
As for being misled, I don't think that we are. In the end, most people care about their own life and their family and do not even know what their government does. Personal links and relationships are more important in life than politics, at least I can't start hating people for political reasons. Neither can my children. |
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Arina8
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| Xela wrote: | Arina8 (I wonder who this could be..?),
| Quote: | Now I have read all your comments. You are too emotional and therefore unreasonable. Plus, you talk too much about rapists. Bad experience? I guess, war. Anyway, you prefer to offend people rather than be just. It's your choice, of course, but this attitude usually leads nowhere.
By the way, your English isn't perfect either. Why don't you write 'hardly any' instead of 'hardly no'? As for Russian women, I do not want to disappoint you, but we are not very much interested in Chechen men. |
No bad experience with rapists, just making an observation that there are plenty of them living in Russia.
By the way, please don't give me a lesson in English, because when somebody types 'we are not very much interested' it begs the question of what school of English they studied at, as well as their stupidity.
I am not trying to offend anyone; if you want me to post the PM's that racist Ender sent me about Caucasian women I will, and we can all see why I have this attitude with this particular person.
As a final point: if Russian women are 'not very much interested in Chechen men', then why is it you can find almost all the most beautiful ones in Moscow and St Petersburg working for them?
Answer that one for me. |
Firstly, if you mean prostitutes (some of them often come from the former Soviet republics and are really beautiful but not Russian), they do not care much who to work for as long as they get money.
Secondly, your assumption that most beautiful women in Moscow work for Chechen men sounds childish as there are too many women in comparison with the number of Chechen men. Plus, I suppose I know far more women than you do ( because unlike you I have always lived here), lots of them are nice but none of them work for Chechens, they are more ambitious.
Thirdly, there are plenty of rapists everywhere and even if a rapist lives in Russia, he is not necessarily Russian.
And finally, I do not want you to send me any insulting posts by Ender, actually, I do not want you to send me anything at all because, unfortunately, you are ill-mannered and I never communicate with such people, whoever they are. The reason why I am answering is that you asked me to but I am not going to do it in the future.
I believe you have already understood that I can insult you easily and in a more sophisticated way than you do in your comments. It would be unfair because you seem to be younger and less experienced than me. You easily get hooked ( I am writing about your speculation concerning English)and start using offensive words, which shows you bad upbringing.
As for my education, if it really interests you, I graduated from Moscow State University and then Linguistic University. |
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Xela
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Arina8,
| Quote: | I believe you have already understood that I can insult you easily and in a more sophisticated way than you do in your comments. It would be unfair because you seem to be younger and less experienced than me. You easily get hooked ( I am writing about your speculation concerning English)and start using offensive words, which shows you bad upbringing.
As for my education, if it really interests you, I graduated from Moscow State University and then Linguistic University. |
It doesn't really interest me, and may I suggest that you didn't study hard enough if you were indeed educated there.
Still, you show some moments of inspiration:
| Quote: | | I can insult you easily and in a more sophisticated way than you |
Grow up, you are just another Russian racist. I don't need to insult you.
I am merely satisfied by the fact that Chechens practically run your country, are the richest and most successful businessmen you can find in both Moscow and St Petersburg, and yes.. the most beautiful Russian girls almost always end up working for them.
May I offer the possibility that the only reason this bothers you is because you are a racist? |
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Paul Holmes
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Definitely. This is the main reason why I do not usually participate in such disputes. And I do not usually vote in the elections although it might be wrong.
As for being misled, I don't think that we are. In the end, most people care about their own life and their family and do not even know what their government does. Personal links and relationships are more important in life than politics, at least I can't start hating people for political reasons. Neither can my children. |
We are influenced by language and selective words and what we are allowed to see.
If you look at the Chechen wars, then first the media was allowed more freedom and second one, they weren't.
Or if many people see how they kill the cows, they will not eat as much beef.
Xela, I do not think that Arina is a racist. I think she is commenting on your tone and anger. |
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