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| Ender wrote: | | Paul Holmes wrote: | | Your oil supply is decline and your Oligrach are living the party life on the resources of Russia. Present reserves will last only 17 years. |
Then Europe will freeze.
| Paul Holmes wrote: | | Your manufacturing industry is still in ruins. Now,your oil production is decline and you have screwed over so many foreign investors, that they are not investing anymore. |
I don't know where you read this but in my city all factories working better and better with each year. There aren't any "ruins" around. Level of life is higher than in 90-th and raising. |
Are you that stupid and arrogant? You think that Russia has all the oil in the world? You do not even have enough Uranium for your reactors.
My country has THREE times the oil reserves than you do. Saudi has 4 times that you do. If you do not find more soon, then the only thing you will driving is your bicycle.
Go ahead look up the world oil reserves.
Manufacturing, look at your production. Maybe when you visit other countries you will understand instead of the Putin Manifesto.
Ender, you are a typical arrogant nationalist. Attitude like yours is why Russians are not welcomed in many countries.
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Arina, Turks dislike Russians, because they visit Turkey get extrremely drunk and stupid, walk around like it is Russia, and they become arrogant and stupid. Although majority do not, the few make up for the majority.
I remember when I was returning to my room, there was a drunk Russian man passed out in front my door. I asked the hotel staff about him. Some Turkish man came by to help. He gave the drunken man a couple good kicks first then with a smile moved him.
Americans and Canadians do the same thing in Mexico. They wonder why the shot at or run over.
Hate, well look at the looters and rapists that the Russian army created and what they did in Chechnya and Georgia and what these people did back. Who did it first matters not, but the fact they are suppose to be professional soldiers and peacekeepers. I can say I do not like the invasion of Iraq, but the Americans never acted like this. |
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Ender
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| Paul Holmes wrote: | | Are you that stupid and arrogant? You think that Russia has all the oil in the world? You do not even have enough Uranium for your reactors. My country has THREE times the oil reserves than you do. Saudi has 4 times that you do. If you do not find more soon, then the only thing you will driving is your bicycle. Go ahead look up the world oil reserves. |
While you are enjoying yourself with the amount of your oil reserves you forgot that you have border with very agressive and warlike neighboor whose military 20 times bigger than yours. Recent history shows that this neighboor shows little respect for international laws. Relax. When U.S. feel oil shortage they'll simply annex your country and you will weep how unfair they are. Of course they'll justify this somehow. Sounds impossible? Just wait when they'll become hungry.
| Paul Holmes wrote: | | Manufacturing, look at your production. Maybe when you visit other countries you will understand instead of the Putin Manifesto. Ender, you are a typical arrogant nationalist. Attitude like yours is why Russians are not welcomed in many countries. |
First - we only 17 years free from socialistic way of life, and only 10 years live relatively calm life.
Second - when someone offends my country I became nationalist. Be nice with us, and we'll be nice with you.
About Turkey. I'm regularly visit Turkey. There were times when Russians behave incorrectly, because only criminals were able to afford overseas trave. But now it is different picture. There are much more ordinary people now, even with children. A typical picture in the bar of 5 star hotel - Germans are sitting around the bar and constantly drinking. They don't tend to get drunk completely but there is strong scent of alcohol from them. Unfortunately sometimes there are few idiots from Russia those who starts to behave incorrectly.
Anyway it is counterproductive to argue who is the bad one and who is the good one. I'm quitting this topic as it became useless. Thanks for clarification of your true attitude to Russia. |
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Paul-Holmes
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Again more bullshit.
USA is 10 times bigger and has never threaten us since 1815.
I have been to your country many times, watched your movies, read the famous authors, and so on. You know nothing about my nation and only comparison yourself the USA.
From your famous Dmitri Likhachov " For me, patriotism is the love of one's country, while nationalism is the hatred of other people."
You explain your actions to the world that USA is worse so it is ok. If GWB is Russia's morale standard then you are in trouble. |
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| Paul Holmes wrote: | Arina, Turks dislike Russians, because they visit Turkey get extrremely drunk and stupid, walk around like it is Russia, and they become arrogant and stupid. Although majority do not, the few make up for the majority.
I remember when I was returning to my room, there was a drunk Russian man passed out in front my door. I asked the hotel staff about him. Some Turkish man came by to help. He gave the drunken man a couple good kicks first then with a smile moved him.
Americans and Canadians do the same thing in Mexico. They wonder why the shot at or run over.
Hate, well look at the looters and rapists that the Russian army created and what they did in Chechnya and Georgia and what these people did back. Who did it first matters not, but the fact they are suppose to be professional soldiers and peacekeepers. I can say I do not like the invasion of Iraq, but the Americans never acted like this. |
I am really sorry that my attempts to make you change your mind about Russians have failed so far. You seem to be thoughtful and knowledgeable, therefore you should be able to think independently. If you say that Turks in resorts do not like Russians, I assume you kind of approve of their attitude, otherwise I do not understand why you are writing this at all. Some of them may not like Russians, but personally I do not care much because if I ever see it in a hotel, I will never go to this place again.
I absolutely agree with the latest post by Ender. He may be sometimes too emotional but you also tend to use the words and the tone I personally would never use referring to anybody's home and nation.
It's time to break stereotypes although it is difficult, especially when you lack experience (which is not your case). Ender is absolutely right, when the attitude was forming, only criminals could afford to go abroad. Their mentality differs radically from ordinary people's, or else they would not have become criminals.
It is strange that you can't understand a very simple thing. After being locked inside the USSR people were given a chance to travel around. Naturally, they started behaving like kids who have never had any toys. Surprisingly, grown-up nations did not understand it. But you know what? The ability to sympathise with others is the most generous and is not given to everyone.
I haven't been to Turkey for 6 years because I do not like the way Turkish men look at me. Do not tell me they think all Russian women are prostitutes, it's their problem, not mine.
When we went on holiday to Kos this summer, we were unlucky to travel by boat with a group of Slovacs. It was disastrous: the men started drinking ouzo at 10 a.m., the women smoked all the time (which I hate) and the kids felt sick. Nevertheless, I did not draw any conclusions.
As for the army, it's no use comparing the American and the Russian ones. They are professionals, so they are obliged to behave properly. In our army besides professionals we also have boys, nearly kids, lots of whom are scared and therefore difficult to control. It's our sore point and I hope it will be solved, because at present none of my friends want their sons to serve.
You wrote about Golding. Our army could be a nice plot for him, he wouldn't have needed to invent a desert island and place youngsters in extreme conditions. It is disappoining that you do not understand it and do not have compassion for the country which has had the worst experience on earth so far.
You did not write where you are from or perhaps I missed it. Mexico? Hope to travel there next year. Perhaps you could give me some advice if I am right. |
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| Paul Holmes wrote: | Again more bullshit.
USA is 10 times bigger and has never threaten us since 1815.
I have been to your country many times, watched your movies, read the famous authors, and so on. You know nothing about my nation and only comparison yourself the USA.
From your famous Dmitri Likhachov " For me, patriotism is the love of one's country, while nationalism is the hatred of other people."
You explain your actions to the world that USA is worse so it is ok. If GWB is Russia's morale standard then you are in trouble. |
Look, you become nervous when you feel that it concerns your country. It would be unnatural if you didn't. But in this case you should understand why Ender feels hurt when you speak negatively about our country. We all have lots of problems and but we hope that we shall overcome one day.
Another observation from everyday life. When people see that somebody else's life is much worse than theirs, they become compassionate and ready to help. When they see that their neighbour has turned luckier than them, it lets them down. Not very generous, is it? Again, it's in human nature but we need to teach ourselves not to enjoy other people's misfortune. It is really hard and it needs strength.
I wouldn't have written it to you if you hadn't quoted one of the noblest Russians. Actually, he is among the few whose opinion about the latest political events I would have agreed with if they were alive. |
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Paul,
Why waste your time with these pair of losers? We both saw what Ender wrote about Caucasian women, and yet here he is with his side-kick Arina trying to make out that this was simply a subjective opinion.
Like you've mentioned, Ender is typical arrogant nationalist, and would not be welcome in almost any country in the world.
You've also mentioned that Russia has created many rapists, looters and criminals, yet has the audacity to point fingers at everyone else.
This is all that needs to be said, really, although perhaps someone might like to tell Arina that it's highly improbable that Turkish men look at her in a suggestive way; more likely they are simply wondering if someone that ugly could possibly be Turkish. |
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| Arina8 wrote: | | Paul Holmes wrote: | Again more bullshit.
USA is 10 times bigger and has never threaten us since 1815.
I have been to your country many times, watched your movies, read the famous authors, and so on. You know nothing about my nation and only comparison yourself the USA.
From your famous Dmitri Likhachov " For me, patriotism is the love of one's country, while nationalism is the hatred of other people."
You explain your actions to the world that USA is worse so it is ok. If GWB is Russia's morale standard then you are in trouble. |
Look, you become nervous when you feel that it concerns your country. It would be unnatural if you didn't. But in this case you should understand why Ender feels hurt when you speak negatively about our country. We all have lots of problems and but we hope that we shall overcome one day.
Another observation from everyday life. When people see that somebody else's life is much worse than theirs, they become compassionate and ready to help. When they see that their neighbour has turned luckier than them, it lets them down. Not very generous, is it? Again, it's in human nature but we need to teach ourselves not to enjoy other people's misfortune. It is really hard and it needs strength.
I wouldn't have written it to you if you hadn't quoted one of the noblest Russians. Actually, he is among the few whose opinion about the latest political events I would have agreed with if they were alive. |
If you do SOME research at least know the population, then he can say something with confidence. But he spews number like 20 times which is obviously wrong. Ender like Xela said is a nationalist. He just hates other countries.
If you read my forum posts, I have said things against my own country. Truth would be told, that I would have enjoyed to live in a great city like Moscow or Piter and it is rich with cultural and history(though I dislike the lack of green areas, but that is all big cities). I was offered a chance to stay in Moscow to work, but I refused. Why? The pay sucked. Second, you never really integrate in Russia if you are not Russian. There was an interesting documentary on a Canadian who lived in Moscow for about 12 years. He finally gave up trying to fit in, despite being fluent in the language, but he found that he was never to be apart of Russia. With Putin in power, it is getting worse. Russian government hates foreigners. If you do not believe, look at the changing laws about Visas. Look at how foreign companies are treated. I personally do not think that Western countries treat Russians well either.
Am I proud of my country? Very, but I also proud of many Russians and enjoy their accomplishments. Something I love about Russia more than Canada or the USA. |
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| Arina8 wrote: | | Paul Holmes wrote: | Arina, Turks dislike Russians, because they visit Turkey get extrremely drunk and stupid, walk around like it is Russia, and they become arrogant and stupid. Although majority do not, the few make up for the majority.
I remember when I was returning to my room, there was a drunk Russian man passed out in front my door. I asked the hotel staff about him. Some Turkish man came by to help. He gave the drunken man a couple good kicks first then with a smile moved him.
Americans and Canadians do the same thing in Mexico. They wonder why the shot at or run over.
Hate, well look at the looters and rapists that the Russian army created and what they did in Chechnya and Georgia and what these people did back. Who did it first matters not, but the fact they are suppose to be professional soldiers and peacekeepers. I can say I do not like the invasion of Iraq, but the Americans never acted like this. |
I am really sorry that my attempts to make you change your mind about Russians have failed so far. You seem to be thoughtful and knowledgeable, therefore you should be able to think independently. If you say that Turks in resorts do not like Russians, I assume you kind of approve of their attitude, otherwise I do not understand why you are writing this at all. Some of them may not like Russians, but personally I do not care much because if I ever see it in a hotel, I will never go to this place again.
I absolutely agree with the latest post by Ender. He may be sometimes too emotional but you also tend to use the words and the tone I personally would never use referring to anybody's home and nation.
It's time to break stereotypes although it is difficult, especially when you lack experience (which is not your case). Ender is absolutely right, when the attitude was forming, only criminals could afford to go abroad. Their mentality differs radically from ordinary people's, or else they would not have become criminals.
It is strange that you can't understand a very simple thing. After being locked inside the USSR people were given a chance to travel around. Naturally, they started behaving like kids who have never had any toys. Surprisingly, grown-up nations did not understand it. But you know what? The ability to sympathise with others is the most generous and is not given to everyone.
I haven't been to Turkey for 6 years because I do not like the way Turkish men look at me. Do not tell me they think all Russian women are prostitutes, it's their problem, not mine.
When we went on holiday to Kos this summer, we were unlucky to travel by boat with a group of Slovacs. It was disastrous: the men started drinking ouzo at 10 a.m., the women smoked all the time (which I hate) and the kids felt sick. Nevertheless, I did not draw any conclusions.
As for the army, it's no use comparing the American and the Russian ones. They are professionals, so they are obliged to behave properly. In our army besides professionals we also have boys, nearly kids, lots of whom are scared and therefore difficult to control. It's our sore point and I hope it will be solved, because at present none of my friends want their sons to serve.
You wrote about Golding. Our army could be a nice plot for him, he wouldn't have needed to invent a desert island and place youngsters in extreme conditions. It is disappoining that you do not understand it and do not have compassion for the country which has had the worst experience on earth so far.
You did not write where you are from or perhaps I missed it. Mexico? Hope to travel there next year. Perhaps you could give me some advice if I am right. |
Arina, you have what we say is selective reading. Russians who visit Turkey go there to drink and relax. Drinking leads to being stupid. Stupid people are not liked. I also stated that Canadians and Americans are accused of the same in Mexico also. You only focus on Russia. I am at least willing to expose the issues of my country and its problems. Canada had successfully committed genocide on one native tribe. It is something that we are not proud of.
When I stated that Turkish men who look at Slavic women as meat, that is because they have devalued your lives and that you have no feelings or family. They put value on you like a dog, much as Russians soldiers and Chechnyans/Georgians have for each other. They see no value for each others lives. Same can be said about when those Iraqis were cutting off the heads of the Americans. Did they think of their families? When they caught that American soldier who raped and burnt the Iraqi girl, did he think of her family?
I was on train to a city in Ukraine. There was a Turkish man in cabin next to me. I was in cabin with 3 others. We talked and had fun. I never said anything about Ukraine and talked about my like and dislikes of my country, Canada. I spoke some Russian, listen to music, shared sweets, and so on. I felt like a great guest. The Turkish man from England bad mouthed Ukraine. His purpose was only to get cheap labour for his company. He was brash arrogant and insulting. The people in his cabin tried to steal his notebook later on. While I received excellent experience and met many people I thought would be great friends. He received an horrible experience.
I have been to Russian many times and I have many friends who lived there also, we all say the same thing, it WAS one the most beautiful countries to visit and stay, but as visitors, we feel that we are looked down on. We went out of our way to learn the language, culture, try foods, and read books from Russia. We fell in love with your country, but under Putin, the country has turned nationalistic and angry and hateful and vengeful. It is so much different from morals taught from the Russian Fairy Tales like the Golden Egg and Lisa & Jouravial. To me, Russia is like a great friend who has taken the wrong advice from bad people and turn away from the country that made it great. |
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If you do SOME research at least know the population, then he can say something with confidence. But he spews number like 20 times which is obviously wrong. Ender like Xela said is a nationalist. He just hates other countries.
If you read my forum posts, I have said things against my own country. Truth would be told, that I would have enjoyed to live in a great city like Moscow or Piter and it is rich with cultural and history(though I dislike the lack of green areas, but that is all big cities). I was offered a chance to stay in Moscow to work, but I refused. Why? The pay sucked. Second, you never really integrate in Russia if you are not Russian. There was an interesting documentary on a Canadian who lived in Moscow for about 12 years. He finally gave up trying to fit in, despite being fluent in the language, but he found that he was never to be apart of Russia. With Putin in power, it is getting worse. Russian government hates foreigners. If you do not believe, look at the changing laws about Visas. Look at how foreign companies are treated. I personally do not think that Western countries treat Russians well either.
Am I proud of my country? Very, but I also proud of many Russians and enjoy their accomplishments. Something I love about Russia more than Canada or the USA.[/quote]
In your opinion, have I ever been offensive in my posts? I suppose, not because once you start using personal remarks you lose the debate. This is what happens to Ender. I do not agree with many things he says but they are explicable.
I don't think that you should quote Xela though, he is definitely in his teens, so we are not on equal terms, although I am currently teaching very smart teenagers who are interesting to talk to. However, they are above average intellectually and can provide good reasoning.
By the way, when I came to visit my friends in the school where I used to work, their first lesson was called 'tolerance'. As far as I remember, teachers are usually instructed what theme to discuss in the first lesson.
My husband has been working for an American firm for 14 years and I have never heard him say that they are treated unfairly. As for integration, I doubt if it is possible in any country. During Perestroika lots of my friends left Russia and live in the USA, Canada, Australia and Europe. They feel OK there but not at home. |
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| Xela wrote: | Paul,
Why waste your time with these pair of losers? We both saw what Ender wrote about Caucasian women, and yet here he is with his side-kick Arina trying to make out that this was simply a subjective opinion.
Like you've mentioned, Ender is typical arrogant nationalist, and would not be welcome in almost any country in the world.
You've also mentioned that Russia has created many rapists, looters and criminals, yet has the audacity to point fingers at everyone else.
This is all that needs to be said, really, although perhaps someone might like to tell Arina that it's highly improbable that Turkish men look at her in a suggestive way; more likely they are simply wondering if someone that ugly could possibly be Turkish. |
Ender is grasping at straws and just venting out hate with stats that do not exist. His nationalism has made him unable to see anything and since I have showed that he is full of lies or just too lazy to look up correct information from any site on the internet or book.
I said that Nationalism creates hate, not just Russia, but Chechnya also. After the first war, Chechnya started to kidnap, invade, steal, and many other illegal activities. Most of this was direct at Russia. You can say Russia deserved revenge, but when does this end? They might not have done Apartment bombing or not, but they did enough revenge that majority of Russians could see Chechnyans doing these acts. Majority of Chechnyans wanted peace, but the leaders wanted revenge and Putin wanted revenge also.
It amazes me that a country that was so peaceful with each other is starting to tear at the seems. I was in a city having a discussion with two men in Russia and when one man turned to the other and said you are not Russian, but Tartar, you know nothing about being Russian. I was shocked. Other comments about minorities also.
Arina is ok, but she loves her country, but she listens. It is difficult to see your country get bashed. It is like watching your child do something bad and you try to justify why it is so. Russians and Americans are the most nationalistic people I have ever met. Their love of ones own country makes them blind to see the path they are taking is wrong. If you look at the American policy in South America and Central America under Ronald Reagan, then you visit these places now, Americans not as welcomed as they used to be. We live in a world, not a country. Majority of Americans and Russians have never left their own country and many have not even left their own Oblast or State. But I think your insults of Arina is not called for. Although we disagree, she is still welcomed to my home to have tea as you are also. |
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Arina, you have what we say is selective reading. Russians who visit Turkey go there to drink and relax. Drinking leads to being stupid. Stupid people are not liked. I also stated that Canadians and Americans are accused of the same in Mexico also. You only focus on Russia. I am at least willing to expose the issues of my country and its problems. Canada had successfully committed genocide on one native tribe. It is something that we are not proud of.
When I stated that Turkish men who look at Slavic women as meat, that is because they have devalued your lives and that you have no feelings or family. They put value on you like a dog, much as Russians soldiers and Chechnyans/Georgians have for each other. They see no value for each others lives. Same can be said about when those Iraqis were cutting off the heads of the Americans. Did they think of their families? When they caught that American soldier who raped and burnt the Iraqi girl, did he think of her family?
I was on train to a city in Ukraine. There was a Turkish man in cabin next to me. I was in cabin with 3 others. We talked and had fun. I never said anything about Ukraine and talked about my like and dislikes of my country, Canada. I spoke some Russian, listen to music, shared sweets, and so on. I felt like a great guest. The Turkish man from England bad mouthed Ukraine. His purpose was only to get cheap labour for his company. He was brash arrogant and insulting. The people in his cabin tried to steal his notebook later on. While I received excellent experience and met many people I thought would be great friends. He received an horrible experience.
I have been to Russian many times and I have many friends who lived there also, we all say the same thing, it WAS one the most beautiful countries to visit and stay, but as visitors, we feel that we are looked down on. We went out of our way to learn the language, culture, try foods, and read books from Russia. We fell in love with your country, but under Putin, the country has turned nationalistic and angry and hateful and vengeful. It is so much different from morals taught from the Russian Fairy Tales like the Golden Egg and Lisa & Jouravial. To me, Russia is like a great friend who has taken the wrong advice from bad people and turn away from the country that made it great.[/quote]
It's not selective reading, it's selective reacting. I do not approve of lots of things our government does, actually, I do not approve of most things. Nevertheless, I really love my country, which is not the government but people and culture.
I am really sorry that you do not feel at ease here. Russians are now quite strained, mostly because we are not confident in what will happen next. It refers to people who matured during Perestroika.
As far as I can see, youngsters are more relaxed but some of them really have nationalistic ideas. It depends a lot on their upbringing and education (lack of education and bad manners, I should say). Yet, I do hope that things will improve but we'll definitely need time. |
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| gomer wrote: | | A main complaint is the Russian Federation is the only country to recognize the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Would Russia get countries that it has current or previous influence with to give recognition? Belarus, the 'stans in Central Asia, North Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuela, Libya, Syria and Iran are countries that have had relations of some sort with Russia in the past. China possibly, but the Tibetans want independence also. |
www.nowpublic.com/world/venezuela-supports-independence-south-ossetia-and-abkhazia
www.nowpublic.com/world/nicaragua-recognizes-abkhazia-s-ossetia
One country supports, one country recognizes, both countries in the Americas. |
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| Quote: | Ender is grasping at straws and just venting out hate with stats that do not exist. His nationalism has made him unable to see anything and since I have showed that he is full of lies or just too lazy to look up correct information from any site on the internet or book.
I said that Nationalism creates hate, not just Russia, but Chechnya also. After the first war, Chechnya started to kidnap, invade, steal, and many other illegal activities. Most of this was direct at Russia. You can say Russia deserved revenge, but when does this end? They might not have done Apartment bombing or not, but they did enough revenge that majority of Russians could see Chechnyans doing these acts. Majority of Chechnyans wanted peace, but the leaders wanted revenge and Putin wanted revenge also.
It amazes me that a country that was so peaceful with each other is starting to tear at the seems. I was in a city having a discussion with two men in Russia and when one man turned to the other and said you are not Russian, but Tartar, you know nothing about being Russian. I was shocked. Other comments about minorities also.
Arina is ok, but she loves her country, but she listens. It is difficult to see your country get bashed. It is like watching your child do something bad and you try to justify why it is so. Russians and Americans are the most nationalistic people I have ever met. Their love of ones own country makes them blind to see the path they are taking is wrong. If you look at the American policy in South America and Central America under Ronald Reagan, then you visit these places now, Americans not as welcomed as they used to be. We live in a world, not a country. Majority of Americans and Russians have never left their own country and many have not even left their own Oblast or State. But I think your insults of Arina is not called for. Although we disagree, she is still welcomed to my home to have tea as you are also. |
Thank you for your kind offer, Paul, but if I were to do something as provocative as share a cup of tea with Arina, I am sure she would think I was trying to get her into bed, so for all our sakes I think I'll give it a miss.
About Chechnya, what did you expect? When Russians go there killing old men and children and raping anything that moves, they can only expect that reaction. Even Kadyrov, now Putin's best buddy; liked nothing more than to personally 'operate' on Russians.
So Russians react by attacking anything that resembles a Chechen in Russia, and then calling this terrorism 'hooliganism', and carry on acting like it's a normal part of life. Most Ossetians are too rural and in some cases too stupid to realise that Russians are not their brothers and more than likely if they were in Russia they would be attacked for looking Caucasian. Same goes for Abkhazians. Welcome to the 'Ossets are Russian nationals' paradox.
This is my big issue with Russia and Russians. I would go so far as to say that if 'ethnic' Russians didn't have such a complex over Caucasians, most people from that region would probably support Russia and would respect Russians as brothers.
I also think you focus too much on the Turks, Paul. Turks talk bad about anyone and everyone, themselves included.
Arina may not be a die-hard Russian nationalist/racist, but she is still supporting the Russian nationalist cause which makes her guilty by association. If she sincerely only loves her country, then perhaps she should be the one making the same points that I am, because this type of attitude is destroying Russia(in both the eyes of the world, and through the reactions of the victims; which is normally to strap themselves with dynamite and blow up as many Russians as they possibly can).
Caucasians will never bow to Russians, and the sooner the Russians realise this, the better for everyone.
If it really is Russia for Russians, then they should get the hell out of Georgia and Abkhazia and South Ossetia, and start practicing what they preach.
After all, no-one likes a hypocrite. |
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