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hope25 · Frequent Guest Joined: 01 Feb 2008 Posts: 11

Today, the migratory service told my girl friend that the only way i can stay with her family in kostroma is through a private visa. I told her to find out if her post office can register a business or tourist visa, she keeps telling me they cannot.

Please, can someone help me, i have read through this entire thread and things are still rather unclear Sad

btw, i am american and plan on getting my business visa through WTR. I will be staying with my girlfriend in kostroma at her parents place.

goDutch · Frequent Guest Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 64

marsupilami · Just Starting Joined: 10 Sep 2008 Posts: 1

Dear all,

after two days of exhausting internet research i came up with the following plan for a short-notice trip to visit my girlfriend in moscow:

1. obtain invitation for moscow (tourist visa) through waytorussia (privat visa seems impossible to obtain within 2 weeks)
2. get tourist visa
3. once in moscow, stay with my girlfriend and get registered with her at the local post office

my questions:
a) is it true that i can be registered at a private flat without any problems even if i have tourist instead of private visa? will i have problems because the accomodating party is not the one who invited me?
b) when i fill out the migration card on the plane, how do i have to fill in the "place of residence"-question? inviting organisation, (fictional) hotel or address of my girlfriend?
c) what is the worst that could happen if i proceed like this?

thanks a lot for your help, i would be very happy if that trip were possible!

dutchguy · Just Starting Joined: 05 Oct 2008 Posts: 1

I also have one question about the registration of my visa....

I'll be visiting Moscow (and only Moscow!) at the end of November for 4days (of which 2 are businessdays, friday to monday) and was wondering if I need to register my visa? I read that it needs to be done within three businessdays from the arrival in Moscow.
If I don't register my (tourist) visa, will I get in trouble at the customs when I try to leave the country on Monday (though SVO2).

Thanks for your help!

Halida Koethe · Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 4:12 pm Post subject:

Dear Sir,
it s better to register ur visa because in law they writed 3 calendar days (so friday,saturday,sunday. monday is the 4 th...
it s better to make it - u will not get problem with custom, u can get probleme with frontier police - because they are looking for this...
And with russian system - is better to do something before, like to have problems later Smile

))
Good luck for u!
Rolling Eyes

Halida Koethe · Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 4:25 pm Post subject:

Kion · Just Starting Joined: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 5

Hi...

I've been reading all the topic, and I didn't find any clear answer for this question :

Is it possible to register a tourist visa for the whole stay period, by the owner of the appartment, or a person who's registered at this adress ?

Is it legal ? Is it a right, or only a possibility ?

I'm not dealing with buisness visa, but tourist visa...

Огромное спасибо !

Halida Koethe · Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:25 am Post subject:

Accordind the russian law and everyday practice - travel agency who make voucher and invitation they are responsible for people who they invite with tourist visa to russia in territory of russia, usually they have to make registration. u can talk with company if it s possible to make registration in other adres, but it s not realy clear, because if u come with travel visa - u come with travel agency and they are responsible for u/, usually they can make registration in special hotel adres but u can live in flat of friends - nobody will make control./ But if u come with travel visa but u make registration in flat of friends it s not realy right- u have to come to friens with personal visa
and
It s that i find about this in law "Иностранные граждане, прибывшие в РФ с нарушением установленного порядка пересечения Государственной границы РФ, своевременно не вставшие на учет по месту пребывания, уклонившиеся от выезда из РФ по окончании разрешенного срока пребывания в РФ, равно как и сообщившие о себе неправильные или ложные сведения при осуществлении миграционного учета, статье 25.10 Федерального закона «О порядке выезда из РФ и въезда в РФ» от 15.08.1996г. № 114-ФЗ являются незаконно находящимися на территории РФ и несут ответственность в

соответствии с законодательством РФ. Ответственность таких иностранных граждан и лиц без гражданства, а также принимающей стороны, не исполнившей наложенных законом обязанностей по приему иностранных граждан, установлена Кодексом об административных правонарушениях РФ."
it s mean that company who invite u to russia (with tourist visa) and people who don` t give right information abot registration will have responsibility ,according the Code of administrative violation.

if u don t give right information about registration

Kion · Just Starting Joined: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 5

Thank you for the answer...

So, it's possible to make the hotel register the tourist visa. But if I don't live in any hotel, must this one register my visa ? Or he just can ?
Is there this kind of hotel in each town ? For examle, I want to go in Izhevsk...

In a simpler way, how can I register my tourist visa in a town as Izhevsk, without sleeping in a hotel ?

Thanks again.

Kion · Just Starting Joined: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 5

If I write down my friend's adress in the visa tourist support (instead of nothing, or instead of a hotel's name), will be my friend legally able to register me in a post office or at OVIR ?

greg222 · VIP Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 522

Kion · Just Starting Joined: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 5

Mmm... I've been reading on the site of Way to Russia, that it's possible to register one's own visa with a letter from the agency... And that for all town where no one agency is affiliated with the inviting one.
Is that right ?

deadnaught · Just Starting Joined: 13 Nov 2008 Posts: 1

As of 2007, the russian government do not really care where you register at. If you originally intended to stay in a hotel buy decided to stay with your girl, fine. If you originally intended to stay with your girl, but decided to stay at a hotel, fine. All the russian government cares about, is that you register within 3 days of the city you will be residing in.

Failure to register will have grave consequences. In the past, prior to 2007, you had to stay at the hotel your invite letter stated. But I think the russian goverment saw that this was serious limitation placed on tourists, and it hurt potential tourism, which of course hurt the flow of money coming to russia.

The only reason you would need to get a private(homestay) visa is if you intended to stay longer than 30 days. If you intended to stay 14 days to visit moscow or your woman, get a tourist visa. If you intended to stay with your woman for 60 days... you would NEED a private visa, which of course would take longer to process, because you intend to stay longer, which would require more documentation and more paperwork.

It is no different in the USA. Why do you think it takes a foreigner longer to get a work visa for the USA, versus a tourist visa?

When I visited my fiancee in July, I acquired a tourist visa and on the visa application I put down that was visiting for tourism/private reasons.

On my cover letter, I wrote that I was visiting "xxxx" city to sight see and to see my fiancee for 13 days. I did not mention that I was staying at a hotel or a flat. Why? Because they do not care, as long as you register at your destination.

Hope this helps.

Nick

Kion · Just Starting Joined: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 5

Thanks a lot...
that's really helpfull.
At least, it gives me hope !