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nikir
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| Ender wrote: |
BTW, how Australia is doing? Australian dollar fell significantly. Can you compare what is going in Australia and what is going in Russia? What is your impression? |
Well we are not doing too badly at the moment. The $ is down against the US, GBP and Euro. Our government has guaranteed savings but investments are hurting. Exporters are happy and people with large debts are shitting themselves. |
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gomer
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| Paul Holmes wrote: | | Rouble went from 24 - 1 USD to 29- 1 USD. Ukraine went from 4.4 - 1USD and now 7.6 UAH - 1 USD. Almost half. |
So, is it a good time for people with USD to visit Ukraine, given the exchange rate? |
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gomer
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| Ender wrote: | | gomer wrote: | | Ender wrote: | | Damn! I have bought a new car half of the year ago... If I could wait more... |
Congratulations on your car purchase. What kind of car did you buy? Just curious. |
Logan. Comparing with those "buckets with bolts" produced by AvtoVaz Logan is fantastic (yes I know it is cheapest in the whole Renault model line). I was able to buy Megane but greed overcame me. Anyway I can't buy Laguna 3.  Maybe this is even better. I plan to use it for 3..4 years. Probably something with hybrid engine will be available to this time. |
I remember seeing Russian TV commercials for Renault Logan. Nice looking car. What's the manufacturers' warranty on a Logan in Russia ( years/ kilometers )? |
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Paul Holmes
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| gomer wrote: | | Paul Holmes wrote: | | Rouble went from 24 - 1 USD to 29- 1 USD. Ukraine went from 4.4 - 1USD and now 7.6 UAH - 1 USD. Almost half. |
So, is it a good time for people with USD to visit Ukraine, given the exchange rate? |
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Unfortunately, It is going to get much worse
Russians are more pragmatic than the Ukrainians. Ukrainians tried to keep up with the Russia in their monetary habits, so they borrowed and borrowed
What is happening in Russia is happening in Ukraine except they do not have 500 Billion rainy day fund and political power struggle.
Russia will be able to handle this crisis, but the pessimists will feed on the optimists who thought the economic party will never end.
But in the end, correction is necessary. Bank sector will be stronger. Laws will be strengthen for the banks. The need for diversification from the OIl sector is now realized.
I think Russia is like a team for stars that should win every game, but they lost. Now they are able to rethink and be better than they ever had before.
Ukraine is just a mess. They do not have the resources like Russia and they still have all the problems like Russia.
Belarus is a soon to be Russian Republic. Why they left, I do not know? |
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Ender
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Joined: 23 Aug 2006
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Location: Urals
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| gomer wrote: | | I remember seeing Russian TV commercials for Renault Logan. Nice looking car. What's the manufacturers' warranty on a Logan in Russia ( years/ kilometers )? |
60 000 km or 2 years. 6 years against corrosion. |
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Ender
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Location: Urals
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| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Paul Holmes wrote: | | Unfortunately, It is going to get much worse Russians are more pragmatic than the Ukrainians. Ukrainians tried to keep up with the Russia in their monetary habits, so they borrowed and borrowed. What is happening in Russia is happening in Ukraine except they do not have 500 Billion rainy day fund and political power struggle. |
It looks like Ukraine is going through same period as Russia 10..15 years ago. Economical problems and political instability.
| Paul Holmes wrote: | | Russia will be able to handle this crisis, but the pessimists will feed on the optimists who thought the economic party will never end. But in the end, correction is necessary. Bank sector will be stronger. Laws will be strengthen for the banks. The need for diversification from the OIl sector is now realized. |
There is Russian proverb: "Пока гром не грянет, мужик не перекрестится".
"Unless thunder roar, muzhik don't cross himself"
| Paul Holmes wrote: | | I think Russia is like a team for stars that should win every game, but they lost. Now they are able to rethink and be better than they ever had before. Ukraine is just a mess. They do not have the resources like Russia and they still have all the problems like Russia. |
A friend of my wife has just returned from Ukraine. She has relatives there. She said that they tired of all politic and there is huge discontent of current government and results or "orange revolution". Like russians today about about October revolution: "What have we done?"
| Paul Holmes wrote: | | Belarus is a soon to be Russian Republic. Why they left, I do not know? |
Everyone ran from USSR. They thought they would live better without USSR but history has different opinion. Don't forget they have never been part of Russia. |
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gomer
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http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssConsumerGoodsAndRetailNews/idUSN0632016920081206
Argentine automakers will sell basic models at cost ...
Local plants of Renault SA, General Motors, Peugeot, Ford Motor Co. and other automakers will participate in the government's plan to protect 150,000 auto industry jobs and to keep production from falling steeply next year.
I don't suppose these automakers would sell basic models at cost in Russia, unless they're already selling cars at below cost. |
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Paul Holmes
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Ender, I agree with you, But Ukraine is a divide country and does not really know what it wants to do.
Ukraine, if it wants to an European country, then it should do it.
If it wants to be like Russia, it should do it.
But it is trying to be both, it can't
I think Ukraine pushed Russia away, Russia was so much into the country. Russians walk around like it is a part of Russia, much as the Americans walk in Canada. |
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