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darthvader
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 Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:27 pm Post subject: The Great Patriotic War |
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Very sad, not so old documentary concerning the Great Patriotic War, the nature of Hitler and Stalin, the German push forward to the Volga and the Soviet push back to Berlin.
"War of the Century": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVo-2jfeoMM (part 1)
Each segment is 10 minutes, there are 20 parts.
Actually, i've seen this on TV and DVD.
Lot of insightful interviews of old soldiers and civilians alike in Russia, the ex-Soviet states and Germany. There's also some declassified files made available for the documentary since the collapse of the USSR.
The best (or, more likely, the only comprehensive) Western documentary I've seen that gives total coverage of the War "in East", in World War 2. Absolutely awful, of course. |
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hpesch
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| Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:57 am Post subject: Omissions |
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Thanks for the hint.
Unfortunately there are lots of omissions in the first parts. Not only did the Soviets not believe the German threat they were completely unprepared and had even helped Germany until the last minute.
When Germany attacked, the soviet army was unprepared, badly equipped, no defence plans made. No evacuation plan for factories etc. Bread was already up in September in Moscow!
Towards the end of the war Stalin claimed that he had made the pact with Hitler in 1939 in order to win time. But actually he had done everything to make it easier for Germany to overrun the Soviet union. The USA warned already in January 1941 that a German attack was scheduled for early summer, but Stalin did not want to hear.
The only person in the word Stalin ever trusted was Adolf Hitler. |
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hpesch
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| Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:41 pm Post subject: Love of Stalin |
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In the first part the son of soviet minister Mikoyan is interviewed. He announces, that they all "really loved Stalin". That may be true for his father, but the majority of Russians hated Stalin at least since the great purges and the introduction of the worker's passes in 1938, which made a slave of each and every worker. No freedom of changing job, prison sentences for half an hour late at work etc.
Very good though in this tv-material the proof that Stalin sought peace at least twice in the autumn of 1941 with Hitler. This has been the best preserved secret in Soviet history. Stalin was ready to surrender huge parts of the country just to save his butt. And this man is considered a great leader by many modern Russians! |
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Ender
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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| People are judged by what they did, not by what they said. |
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Rutol
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Dear hpesch.
Some moments.
As I can't understand from your profile where are you from, I suppose that you aren't from Russia and you are English-speaking. 
In this case I strongly recommended you to read David M. Glantz books, because this American historian is one of the most competent and objective researcher of WW2. (This opinion of many historians with different points of view).
Moreover, love to Stalin in USSR was a true. Of course not all people laved Stalin, but a lot of. Because during centuries Russia had despotic regimes. In fact Russian autocracy both in Moscow kingdom (Ivan IV etc.) and in Russian Empire (since Peter I) was state of lawlessness and tyranny, more or less cruel. And Stalin wasn't something shock. I think that it was be impossible if as a result of revolution we had absolutely democratic state after imperial lawlessness. It would be very nice, but it’s utopia, unfortunately.
Fact “that Stalin sought peace at least twice in the autumn of 1941 with Hitler”?
I don’t know. Now even state TV-channels allow to show evident lie. And without links to archive documents I preferred no doubt in that. |
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Rimski
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Rutol
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And moreover, after Munchen 1938 it was impossible to trust Great Britain and France.
But from Soviet-German pact USSR had very useful economic contact with germany and bought high technology production. |
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7flash7
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| Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:35 am Post subject: Re: Omissions |
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| hpesch wrote: | Thanks for the hint.
Unfortunately there are lots of omissions in the first parts. Not only did the Soviets not believe the German threat they were completely unprepared and had even helped Germany until the last minute.
When Germany attacked, the soviet army was unprepared, badly equipped, no defence plans made. No evacuation plan for factories etc. Bread was already up in September in Moscow!
Towards the end of the war Stalin claimed that he had made the pact with Hitler in 1939 in order to win time. But actually he had done everything to make it easier for Germany to overrun the Soviet union. The USA warned already in January 1941 that a German attack was scheduled for early summer, but Stalin did not want to hear.
The only person in the word Stalin ever trusted was Adolf Hitler. |
I will say that the Russian intelligence told Stalin of the impending war but Stalin did not believe and it's sad and the way in the beginning of the war in the Soviet Union was rearming, and it was not time for war. |
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