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Looking for an appartement with 2 bedrooms
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Belpherion
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:07 pm    Post subject: Looking for an appartement with 2 bedrooms Reply with quote

Hello,

We are 2 french teachers looking for an appartement with 2 separate bedrooms, not too far away from the brown line.

Max rent : 40000R ( for 2 )

Please contact me by MP even if your proposal is a bit different Wink

Thank you !
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overseas_expat
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The best site for Moscow apartments is cian.ru
http://www.cian.ru/?region=1

Ignore any posting more than a few days old.

In Russian only. Most of Russia is in Russian only, and if you're moving to Moscow and don't speak/read Russian there are troubled times ahead.

Good luck to you.
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Belpherion
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for you help. I am currantly learning russian but I am not able to speak / read it yet. Getting an appartement is a basic need but a complicated thing ...

Thanks for the link.
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overseas_expat
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Without any Russian language skills, how will you possibly rent an apartment? Deal with a (Russian landlord Shocked )? Comprehend a Russian real estate contract?

Do you know what you are getting into? Do you have help? An employer perhaps? May I ask why you'll be needing an apartment in Moscow when you don't speak Russian? Is anyone helping you?

Russia is not western Europe with an accent. The legal system does not work, does not really exist, especially for foreigners.

Many foreigners see opportunity in Russia (rightly so) but have no idea how different the Russian *system* is from what they're used to. In Russia there is only one way--the Russian way--this way cannot be understood from the outside and is rife with pitfalls for the inexperienced.
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Belpherion
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I gave a look to the website you told me about but I did not understand how to contact an owner by other means than phone...do I have to create an account ?

Thank you for your help
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Belpherion
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry I didn't see your previous reply.

I will be a teacher of french in a private institute of language in Moscow. My boss and collegues will be french, english and russian. They will help me for everything BUT finding a place to live. And I will get russian lesson from the institute. So because I can't speak russian yet, I began with french/english speaking websites but there is not a lot of choice and the prices are quite expensive. I will arrive in Moscow on september 1st if everything goes well ( visa and stuff ) so I have to find a 2 bedrooms appartement quite asap.

Thank you for worriing about me Wink
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overseas_expat
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You did not answer any of my questions. They are important.

Without some kind of internal support (employer/university) you cannot possible rent an apartment and survive in Moscow without Russian language skills.

So what's your story? I'm trying to help you. For real.
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overseas_expat
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Visa? What kind of visa??

And this school is not helping you with living arrangements AT ALL?

This is not not good.

The visa issue is a big problem. *sigh* Because Russian visas are so very difficult, what language schools have been doing is inviting teachers on their own tourist visas and then promising the teachers that new work visas will be processed once they've arrived in Russia. THIS IS VERY OFTEN A LIE.

Russia, and particularly Moscow, have a quota for visas issued to foreigners to work. These quota places have to be applied for a year in advance by the company with the employment opportunity, and approved by the Russian government. They are exceedingly hard to come by. And usually supported by high dollar international companies with lots of money to spread around Russian bureaucrats. Foreign language schools are NOT this kind of company.

And then there is the problem of the Russian work permit which is issued to foreign employees after arrival in Russia and then engenders the Russian work visa which allows the foreign employee to stay in Russia and work for one year before the whole process restarts again.

For the love of god---have they told you any of this?
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Belpherion
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The institute I will be teaching at is very famous and work for major french companies such as banks and commercials ( Auchan for exemple ), I spoke with them a lot, I verified their identity and that's why I don't really fear any ambush or fraud.

Anyway what would be the point for them to hire and make come 5 new teachers in Moscou and finaly tell them they can't work because of troubles with visa or work permit ? It would be no meaning at doing that and it would be very bad for their reputation. Don't you think ?

They told me that I should get a work visa before the end of August and if not, I may come under a student visa and make it change while in Russia.

But the truth is, the told us they wouldnt get an appart for us but that of course the would help us in case of trouble.

You seems to have had a bad experience haven't you ? What happened?
Anyway thank you so much for your advices, I will be carefull.
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overseas_expat
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did not have a bad experience. But I did recently live 5 years in Moscow and know many expats who still live there. Quite a number of them [ex]language teachers.

The Russian work visa/work permit situation is what it is. And it is extremely difficult for foreigners. And I know that foreign language schools in Moscow are desperate for teachers for the very reason that they cannot get them into the country.

Bear with me as this website only allow one weblink per post so I will have put up several posts to include all the relevant links. Russian foreigner work permits/visas are pretty much across the board for all nationalities and as I don't speak French I 'm adding international/English links. Please have a look at these before you dismiss me as a malcontent.

Expat. ru TRAVEL, VISAS, REGISTRATION, RESIDENCY-STATUS & MORE
http://www.expat.ru/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=101

Expat.ru Teacher and Student Forum
http://www.expat.ru/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=215
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overseas_expat
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Daves ESL cafe Russia and the CIS

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewforum.php?f=20&sid=c16a638de4cf169822b8f4e07919378b

Redtape.ru Passport control forum
http://www.redtape.ru/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=5
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overseas_expat
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you look at these websites you will find many many people who have gone before you and encountered every scam, scheme, roadblock, and ripoff Russia has to offer.

Ignore these experiences at your own peril.
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Belpherion
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never said you were a malcontent or embittered person ! I just try to understand why is it so hard to get a visa / work permit and why you warn me that much. My institute told me I would get one so I have no reason ( yet ) not to trust them. I will begin to worry when / if they tell me that finaly I can't have on or that I will have to transform it. They hire teachers since 1995 so they know how it works don't they ? ( I don't mean than you do not know how it works ). And what's the point to hire new teachers if they allready know that we won't be able to get a visa ? How can they rule the school if they have no teachers ?

Thanks for the links, it is quite worriing I have to say. I hope it won't be that hard for me. First I have to wait for a confirmation from my institute, they told me that my invitation letter had been submited 4 days ago...

Thank you for your help, I really do appreciate.
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overseas_expat
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So......how's it gong for you? Any progress? News?

We are interested in your situation.

Keep us posted.
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Belpherion
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I should get my invitation letter within this week, apart from that there's nothing new Wink I haven't found a satisfactory apartment yet but I keep searching.

I will keep posting here !
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