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Nickel
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 Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 3:57 pm Post subject: 1 year business visa |
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Hi I am new to this group. I have been back and forth to Russia for the last year on a 3 mth business visa, however my last visa is for 12 mths, during the application I became aware of the 90/180 day rule and asked the guy in Toronto who was doing the application about this and he said no worries as I had a multi entry/exit visa, I was still unsure. I got to Russia and went to register and the OVIR guy who had registered me on three previous times noted this ruling and pointed this out. He said he could make an "arrangement" to extend this beyond the 90 days. I will have to leave in October according to the rule of the 90/180 day rule.
He did however suggest that I go to a country like the Ukraine where I do not need a visa to enter and then re-enter Russia and then he can re register me at another address.
My concern with this however that will this affect my future comings and goings? Does any one have any experience or comments to make?
I may well do this about 15 days before my 90 days runs out and see what happens. My plan B is to go back to Canada and re-apply for a 3mth visa. Is there a company on here which can be reccomended to supply the invitation as I was ripped off last time.
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romdur
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| Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | He said he could make an "arrangement" to extend this beyond the 90 days. |
I think the "guy in Toronto" and the "OVIR guy" are giving you bad information.
The 90/180 rule seems very clear. It is plainly printed on your visa (in Russian, of course).
Possibly, the OVIR guy meant that he could register your visa beyond the 90 day limit -- but that is not your real problem. In fact, you can stay in Russia for a long time, if you don't care about getting another visa in the future. But when you leave, your violation of the rule will be detected, and there will be consequences. A person posting here has reported watching a passport control officer carefully counting up the days, to check compliance with this limit.
Anyone breaking the rule, unless very clever with bribes, Russian attorneys, luck etc. will face difficulties reentering Russia -- possibly, a 5 year ban.
If you don't want to put yourself in jeopardy, you must leave on time!
As you wrote, going back home and applying for a 90-day business visa is a completely workable plan. It is not a problem that your 12-month visa has not expired yet, the Consulate will cancel it when they add the new visa. And the 90-day rule applies only within the term of a visa -- not across two different visas. Many people have simply gotten one 90-day visa after another, staying in Russia year-round, except for the new-visa "holidays".
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Nickel
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| Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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Hi thanks for the reply, Yes I am dubious about all this, but another guy has tolod me that he used the register at the post office but it clearly states on the visa the entry date, which concerns me.
Plan B your thougts. I have a Canadian passport in which my 1 year visa with the 90/180 rule applies and runs out about 20th Oct. I also have a UK passport. I was thinking of applying for a new 90 BV visa to have it processed in Odessa, and leaving the country when my Canadian visa expired picking up the new one in my UK passport and re entering the country. My Canadian visa is still "live" and during the next 90 days I am on my UK visa. When it expires go back to the Ukraine and re enter on my Canadian Visa which has had the required 90 days out of the country.
Any comments,
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Listvianka
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I can get you a one year (365/365 days) visa if thats what you want. Then you can change it for a 3 year visa, then 5 years.
(I am on the 5 year residential visa myself)
alexis_gaudin@yahoo.co.uk |
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djleo
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| Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 7:59 pm Post subject: i have 1year multiply business visa |
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| can any1 pls tell me dat i have to travel after 90days or not if i have 1year multiple visa |
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romdur
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djleo:
Yes. With a 1-year business visa, out of ANY 180 days in a row, you are not allowed to be in Russia more than 90 (as in, stay 91 days any you can be punished).
For example, if you stayed in Russia the full 90 days before leaving -- you would have to stay outside the Russian Federation for at least 90 days after that, before being allowed to enter again. |
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djleo
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| Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| romdur wrote: | djleo:
Yes. With a 1-year business visa, out of ANY 180 days in a row, you are not allowed to be in Russia more than 90 (as in, stay 91 days any you can be punished).
For example, if you stayed in Russia the full 90 days before leaving -- you would have to stay outside the Russian Federation for at least 90 days after that, before being allowed to enter again. |
man then why the fuck i have 1year multiple visa so if i go b4 90days fo example like 60days so it means i cnt come back before 60days |
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romdur
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It's a mathematical question -- and please, don't use rude language here -- out of any 180 days in a row, the visa allows you to be there up to 90.
For example, you could visit Russia every two weeks for the entire year, if you stayed 6 or 7 days each time.
Suppose your first visit starts on 1st January, and you stay for 60 days (until 1 March). You have used 60 days out of a 180 day period from 1st January up to and including 29th June (if I counted right, but I hope you get the idea).
You can come back immediately -- March 3rd, for example. And you can come back a dozen times, if you want. But if (after the first long trip) you make 10-day visits, you can make exactly 3 of them: at the end of the third 10-day visit, you will have spent 90 days during that 180 day period. After that, you wouldn't be able to return until 30 June. |
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djleo
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| Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 4:27 am Post subject: sorry dear |
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| romdur wrote: | It's a mathematical question -- and please, don't use rude language here -- out of any 180 days in a row, the visa allows you to be there up to 90.
For example, you could visit Russia every two weeks for the entire year, if you stayed 6 or 7 days each time.
Suppose your first visit starts on 1st January, and you stay for 60 days (until 1 March). You have used 60 days out of a 180 day period from 1st January up to and including 29th June (if I counted right, but I hope you get the idea).
You can come back immediately -- March 3rd, for example. And you can come back a dozen times, if you want. But if (after the first long trip) you make 10-day visits, you can make exactly 3 of them: at the end of the third 10-day visit, you will have spent 90 days during that 180 day period. After that, you wouldn't be able to return until 30 June. |
but is there is any way where i can stay for 5months n then go n come back or i can change my visa to work visa or somethin coz its kind of hectic.btw sorry for usin rude langauge.sorry if u dnt mind can i know somethin about you? |
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romdur
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| Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:31 am Post subject: |
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djleo,
Take a look at the Listvianka post above which offers help getting a full-time visa. This is the first I have heard about this: it is outside of my knowledge. It is probably worth asking about!
Work visas are reportedly quite difficult to get these days. You need a Russian company that wants to hire you, will tell the Russian government that they couldn't find a Russian citizen to fill the job, and is willing to invest the time and money needed to help you get the visa. But once you have a work visa, you can stay in Russia continuously for the visa's duration.
I can tell you about 1-year business visas, because I understand their rules. They definitely don't let you stay for 5 months straight.
One popular solution -- it is a compromise, and not convenient, but also not very tricky -- is to get a succession of 90-day business visas. The 90 out of 180 day rule does NOT apply to these visas: you can use one to stay 90 days (being VERY CAREFUL not to stay 91 or more days!), leave Russia, and then return as soon as you get your next 90-day visa. And you can repeat this as many times as you choose.
By using these 90-day visas, anyone can stay in Russia almost 90% of the time. Of course, you must leave the Russian Federation each time, so there are travel costs. Generally, you must return to your home country in order to get a Russian visa, but reportedly it is possible to get a Russian visa in some third countries (Ukraine, for example).
Another cost: if you want to get back to Russia quickly, you can pay extra for fastest invitation and visa processing. Depending on which country issued your passport, and where you apply, getting a new 90-day visa quickly can cost you several hundred dollars each time. So this could be close to $2000 per year, if you wanted to stay in Russia as much of the year as possible.
You asked about me -- I'm an American enthusiast of Russia, who likes to visit as much as I can manage (not much, usually a few weeks each year). This year, I spent about 30 days in St. Peterburg and Moscow. Because of my interest in this travel, and the difficulties in getting visas, I try to learn as much as I can about the kinds of visas (tourist and business) that are practical for travelers like myself. A 1-year business visa has several advantages: it allows unlimited entries to the Russian Federation, lets you stay up to 50% of the time, and can be cheaper than getting several shorter-term visas, for people who travel often to Russia. |
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nikir
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| romdur wrote: | | -- and please, don't use rude language here -- |
This is from the forum rules:
"While this forum is relatively tolerant towards sexually explicit posts and offensive language, please, do not abuse it. Respect the readers."
Romdur you sound like a church going grandmother. We need to accommodate cultural diversity and accept that we are not all equal in linguistics, particularly if posting in a language other than our first.
If you don't like it don't respond to it. If you find it really offensive the best thing to do is report it in feedback or better still, send me a PM as I get email notification, and I'll take a look. |
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RoulaNohra
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1- you said that we can go to another country to get a visa to russia( other than our own country)
i am on 3 months visa, i m staying here for another year and it s waste of money to pay for flights every 3 months plus new visa cost, coul you please inform me where can i go to apply for a new 3 months visa that would be cheaper than going to my home country?
2- can i fly to example turkey (because i have to) and send my passport by dhl to my country to prossess my new visa and when i m back i enter russia with my 3 months visa? i m afraid that at the airport i woul have a problem for not going to my country to do it myself (i know a travel agency in my country that would do it for me) would that be a problem?
i hope you answer asap coz i need to know what to do
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romdur
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 2:50 am Post subject: |
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I cannot confirm this, but I have read about people from other countries getting Russian visas in Ukraine.
About shipping your passport: international shipping companies (as I far as I know) don't accept passports. For a lot of good reasons, passports and their holders are supposed to cross international boundaries together. You could try shipping your passport -- claiming that it is something else -- but international packages can be opened for inspection at any time. Also, the travel agency in your home country would face the same shipping problem. Finally, if some official wants to see your identification while you are in Turkey with no passport, this could be awkward. |
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